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  •  Air to ground vs ground to air ? (1+ / 0-)
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    Weapons
    The squadron was originally armed with M16A2 rifles and mounted M240G machine guns for warning shots and self-protection. The bolt-action Robar RC-50 .50-caliber rifle was used for disabling fire. The RC-50 has been replaced by a variant of the semiautomatic Barrett M107 .50-caliber rifle with an anti-corrosion finish.[13] It is fitted with an EOTech holographic weapon sight and an Insight Technology laser sight. The M14 Tactical, a version of the standard M14 with a Sage Enhanced Battle Rifle stock and improved muzzle brake, is also used by the squadron.[14]
    https://docs.google.com/...
    The accuracy of the Model 82A1 makes possible the placement of the shot in the
    most vulnerable area of the target. The compressor sections of jet engines or the
    transmissions of helicopters are likely targets for the weapon, making it capable of
    destroying multi-million dollar aircraft with a single hit delivered to a vital area.
    —Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc. brochure advertising its Model
    82A1 50 caliber sniper rifle

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:54:06 AM PST

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    •  For Stationary Parked Aircraft nt (0+ / 0-)

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:10:18 PM PST

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      •  Air To Ground vs Ground To Air (1+ / 0-)
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        Air to ground is where the helicopter flies to the target, matches the speed of the target, and the sniper shoots from probably less than 500 ft away.

        Ground to air would be shooting at a rapidly moving target a half mile away or more.  Without a sophisticated automatic targeting system, AA fire depends on putting thousands of rounds in the air.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:16:21 PM PST

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        •  An aircraft rolling down a runway ... (1+ / 0-)
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          You can set up and wait for the aircraft to get up to and past the no abort speed . That's the most vulnerable part of the flight . Can't go , can't not go . Worst possible time for failure .
          A head on shot or near head on . No need to move the left , right or up or down .

          rapidly moving target
          Not so much from a front view . The target is coming toward you and getting larger . Its much much larger than a human being .

          "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

          by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:47:00 PM PST

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        •  If you are talking Ack Ack vs 10,000 foot ... (0+ / 0-)
          AA fire depends on putting thousands of rounds in the air.
          But that's not how a sniper uses a 50 cal to bring down a plane .
          Air to ground is where the helicopter flies to the target, matches the speed of the target, and the sniper shoots from probably less than 500 ft away.
          So a guy in the back of a van that is driving along parallel to the runway ...

           

          "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

          by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:00:28 PM PST

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      •  Nope (0+ / 0-)
        making it capable of destroying multi-million dollar aircraft with a single hit delivered to a vital area.
        You don't destroy a multi-million dollar aircraft by shooting the engine of a parked aircraft . You might totally ruin the engine but engines are replaceable .
        To destroy a "multi-million dollar aircraft with a single hit delivered to a vital area." , you need it to come down hard .

        "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

        by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:06:14 PM PST

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        •  engine running on takeoff is the target that would (0+ / 0-)

          be the most destructive.

          Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

          by IreGyre on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:57:35 PM PST

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        •  From The PR ("Who Writes This Shit?") Department (1+ / 0-)
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          Yeah, every stupid PR piece does not equal reality.  

          There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

          by bernardpliers on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:17:07 PM PST

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        •  It's Called An "Anti-Materiel" Rifle (0+ / 0-)

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          An anti-materiel rifle (AM) is a rifle that is designed for use against military equipment (materiel) rather than against other combatants ("anti-personnel").......Anti-materiel rifles are similar in form and appearance to modern sniper rifles and can often serve in that role, though they are usually chambered for cartridges more powerful than are normally required for neutralizing a human and can operate at a greater range......The origins of the anti-materiel rifle go back to the First World War, during which the first anti-tank rifles appeared. While modern tanks and most other armored vehicles are too well protected to be affected by anti-materiel rifles, the guns are still effective for attacking unarmored or lightly armored vehicles. They can also be used against stationed enemy aircraft, small watercraft, communications equipment, radar equipment, crew served weapons and similar targets. Their value is in being able to precisely target and disable enemy assets from long range for a relatively low cost.
          OK, let's take one more run at this ....do you think Barrett is selling the rifle as a sniper/anti-materiel rifle or do you actually believe he is advertising the gun to shoot down airpliners in flight?

          There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

          by bernardpliers on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:21:06 PM PST

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          •  He is making and selling 50 cal rifles that are (0+ / 0-)

            capable of doing great damage to people and "material" .
            The "material" includes aircraft , parked , rolling and flying .

            "There was a good deal of skepticism at the thought of using such a heavy weapon for sniping but, after Barrett pointed out that the object was to wreck several million dollars' worth of jet aircraft with one or two dollars' worth of cartridge, the whole thing began to make more sense and the idea spread."
            Barrett Manufacturing head Ronnie Barrett testified as to the 50 caliber's ability to destroy aircraft: "If it is coming directly at you, it is almost as easy. Just like bird hunting
            making it capable of destroying multi-million dollar aircraft with a single hit delivered to a vital area.
            ........................................
            Barrett pointed out that the object was to wreck several million dollars' worth of jet aircraft
            Not damage , wreck .
            "If it is coming directly at you,
            It must be moving if it is "coming directly at you"
            destroying multi-million dollar aircraft with a single hit
            Not putting a hole in a aircraft , "destroying". You don't destroy a multi-million dollar parked aircraft with one single hit .

            ................................................

            Nobody has ever suggested that it would be practical to shoot down a plane with a Barrett,

            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

            by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:52:40 PM PST

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            •  Sooo....Obama's Also A Kenyan? (1+ / 0-)
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              because every random stupid wingnut remark  clearly has to be true. I guess you worship at the altar of the NRA and believe everything they've ever said also?

              I'd say you've spent too many years invested in the fantasy of taking down an airline with a single bullet (on the first try) and making that claim to other people to give up on it.

              There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

              by bernardpliers on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:28:46 PM PST

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              •  You have gone so far as to be abusive . (1+ / 0-)
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                Your abuse is wild .

                You may or may not know what brought down the Concorde ,
                so I will tell you , a small piece of metal laying on the runway took down the Concorde .
                https://www.google.com/...

                http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...

                Metal strip in Concorde crash 'off US jet'
                By Patrick Bishop
                12:00AM BST 05 Sep 2000

                A 17-INCH metal strip suspected of having caused the tyre blowout that triggered the Air France Concorde disaster may be from a jet belonging to the American carrier Continental Airlines.

                A similar piece was found missing from engine cowling on a Continental DC-10 which took off from Charles de Gaulle airport minutes before the July 25 crash which killed 113 people. The part was said not to be vital for the DC-10's safety.

                You can't doubt that the Concorde crashed , you can't doubt that the cause of the crash was a little bit of metal that poked a hole in a tire .

                A 50 cal round will do as much or more damage as that little bit of metal sitting on the runway .

                "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:53:31 PM PST

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                •  Too Lazy To Join Your Fantasy World (1+ / 0-)
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                  However IIRC correctly the Concords had unique tire problems because  because they were very small and fast rotating for a plane of that size.  After it was punctured, the tire delaminted and sent a large chunk of rubber ripping through the wing.  

                  Plane tires blow out all the time BTW

                  There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

                  by bernardpliers on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:11:14 PM PST

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                  •  More abuse ? (0+ / 0-)

                    The Concorde was brought down by a small piece of metal laying on the runway . A 50 cal can and will do more damage than a small piece of metal laying on the runway .

                    Plane tires blow out all the time BTW
                    Do you want to get into how many and why ? And the damage caused by ? Or do details like that cause you to become abusive ?

                    http://www.concordesst.com/...

                    http://abcnews.go.com/...

                    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                    by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:26:25 PM PST

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                  •  50 cal to the blades past V1 ... (0+ / 0-)

                    http://www.airdisaster.com/...

                    Here, a Training Captain on widebody twin-jets for a major British airline talks us through the hazards faced during an airliner take-off.

                     11:ENGINE FAILURE

                    Engine failure is the biggest worry on take-off; it can occur at any time. Slower than V1 you abandon the take-off, remembering you have reduced reverse thrust available to aid braking.

                    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                    by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:17:37 PM PST

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