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  •  Well... (9+ / 0-)
    She's out-spoken on sexist wage inequity and has written a book regarding the challenges that professional woman face.
    I would absolutely argue that that picture just worsened the challenges professional women face.
    •  And I offer this with total understanding... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...of what you mean, and respect for where you are coming from.

      Why can't a professional woman pose like that? I mean, aside from the fact that woman have worked very hard to be judged by professional merits and not objectified. Isn't there a point where a professional woman can be both successful and flaunt how attractive she is (in her mid-40's no less)?

      I completely get where you are coming from, I do. But I do Insanity workouts everyday, and that pose is not easy to hold. The lady has invested some hard work in that body to be in that position. I'm okay with her showing it off. Hell, I would if it were me.

      •  food for thought. (5+ / 0-)

        the work needs to be done changing the zeitgeist.  but as it stands now, you know what people think when they see it.

        likewise I think it would be foolhardy for me to enter banks with my hood over my head (I'm male, black, 6'4", 215) simply because I should have the right to.

        anyway.  with me, as far as mika goes, it's more her silent mugging than the pics and stuff that gets my goat.  

        This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

        by mallyroyal on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:59:55 AM PST

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      •  I don't watch anymore (5+ / 0-)
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        but when I did Mika talked about running enough that I knew she was proud of her body. And I thought the same thing about the pose.

        But does it belong with a political talk show? I think the photographer was making a comment on the show in the photo . . . There's Joe in all his arrogant glory mugging for the camera and Mika looking over her shoulder at him and doing what she can do to get his attention.

        It's a boorish, silly show and the picture conveys that.  Mika's name has certainly contributed to her success, she's a product of nepotism of a sort, a lightweight.  And Joe? He's a blowhard.

        Don't watch. It's bad for your intellectual health, as Krugman said about CNBC.

        Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

        by ponderer on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:41:15 AM PST

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        •  Honestly, I think your points... (1+ / 0-)
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          .... are all valid. I really do.

          But this is also Vanity Fair. I mean, it isn't US New and World Reports. This kind of thing is what they do. At any rate, I can see why people may object to it. I just don't. I see that and say, "Wow. I hope I look that fabulous at that age. Good on her."

      •  Oh man. I have so (1+ / 0-)
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        many issues with what you just said (though not with you).  First, I took your phrasing of "...be both successful and flaunt how attractive she is..." to mean that one precedes the other.  In other words, if a woman is first successful, then it's easier for her to flaunt how attractive she is because she is already established professionally.  If that wasn't what you meant, please just consider it that way because I think that that's how it generally holds true.

        I worked on a study in college.  Several classrooms of Graduate students were given four resumes.  Each were identical in terms of accomplishments - education, experience, references, competence, etc.  Each also had a picture attached.  There was an attractive man, an unattractive man, an attractive woman, and an unattractive woman.  The students were asked to rate the resumes in order of who was most qualified down to who was least qualified.  The order was as follows, with 1 being most qualified and 4 least qualified:

        1. Attractive man
        2. Unattractive man
        3. Unattractive woman
        4. Attractive woman

        When you're young, attractive, female and not established, the work you have to do to be taken seriously is incrementally greater than that of any of your counterparts.  People will "see" you first - your appearance - and draw societal conclusions.  Only after you've persevered and worked and established yourself does being attractive AND successful become a benefit.  That is my personal experience as well.

        SO.  That's a long way of saying that Mika - and me - and my mother and every other professional woman - has a responsibility to other younger women who come up behind us.  Breaking the stereotype - no matter how unfair its existence - is part of that responsibility.  Playing up the appearance angle when a particular woman has SO much more to offer just makes what that woman experienced in her early career (likely, at any rate) more likely to occur to the younger women coming up behind her.

        I don't make the societal norms - but I sure do have to live with them.

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