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  •  I hate the NRA but... (0+ / 0-)

    I am in favor of armed police guarding schools.  I don't see any reason to ridicule that idea.  If that is the only thing the NRA wants to happen, then yeah they are being dumb.  I also think arming teachers is a bad idea.  We have armed cops at most public gatherings of people, so school shouldn't be much different.  

    •  Nope, no way (3+ / 0-)
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      Miggles, LucyandByron, CA wildwoman

      and I say this as the parent of a first grader, who lives in Connecticut, and has ties to Newtown. My first reaction after all of this was "I'm never sending my daughter to school again" and then thinking about the possibility of armed guards...but then I saw my daughters reaction when I dropped her off at school the other day, and there were several police officers there (apparently a threat was called in)

      She was scared. She started to cry. She thought that there were "bad guys" in the school and she was going to get hurt if she went in.

      My daughters school has a steel enforced door and you cannot get into the building without being buzzed in. The only reason Lanza was able to get into Sandy Hook elementary is because they had glass doors, and with his high powered weapon he was able to shoot right through them. I have no problem with installing extra security (like reinforced doors) in every school, and think it would actually be a great idea. But I do not want my child to grow up feeling like she is in danger, that at any moment her classroom could become a crime scene, and even with the best intentions armed officers create that kind of atmosphere.

      (Not to mention they aren't even that effective-they had armed guards at Columbine, campus police at VA Tech, etc.)

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      by SwedishJewfish on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:14:03 PM PST

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      •  I guess I differ because I live in a big city (0+ / 0-)

        I see cops all over the place every day.  I don't view it as a, "oh no I'm at risk!" thing but rather either an annoyance when I'm driving or a good thing when I'm at work and there are off duty police acting as security guards.

        Also, I don't really know what the NRA are proposing, because security guards that are not active duty police officers are a bad idea I think.  What I'd like are real cops that maybe get moved around so we don't end up with bored psycho cops like what happened with OWS in Berkeley.  I want cops guarding the schools that are neither gung-ho nor cowardly.

        •  Even if ... how? (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't agree with you on the fundamental premise.  I don't think armed cops need to watch over elementary schools.  I don't think that makes the children safer.  And I do think it teaches the wrong lesson in many places.

          But let's set that aside for a moment.

          You want a active-duty police officer in every school.  You want them to be brave enough that they'd engage a hostile shooter in a live-fire situation, but not so enamored of their authority that they'd act hastily or abuse their position at the expense of students.

          There are over 90,000 public schools.  Can you find those 90,000 cops?  If you pull them out of the current active police force, that's 90,000 less police on the beat, and the rest of our streets will be less safe for it.  If we're throwing money at this problem, you could hire and train, but there's still no guarantee you'll get that many Goldilocks cops -- neither too soft or too hard but just right.

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          by Serpents Choice on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:55:31 PM PST

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          •  I admit I don't know the logistics (0+ / 0-)

            However, I see too many police whose jobs are only to pull over drivers to write tickets (for example, what public good can motorcycle cops do?)  Also, we have high unemployment, so some small percentage of the unemployed could probably be trained.  I also think tax dollars should go up to cover this since it is adding overhead to an already beyond strained budget.

    •  Funny how we can't find money for education (10+ / 0-)

      but somehow paying to put armed guards in schools is no problem.  

      When the going gets rough, the average go conservative. --Henry Rollins

      by Beelzebud on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:26:59 PM PST

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    •  With what money? (1+ / 0-)
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      CA wildwoman

      Right now we don't have enough to pay teachers fairly.  We are cutting retirement, benefits, number of teachers.  We have already cut many of the electives like shop, sewing, cooking, etc.  Teachers bring their own supplies.  The classrooms are old and poorly heated/air conditioned.

      So, where is the money for all this armed protection going to come from?

      I know.  We should tax the FUCK out of gun sales.  We should register the SHIT out of guns and charge an annual fee like we do cars.

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      by Sychotic1 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:38:24 PM PST

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