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  •  and you find 22 knife slashed kids acceptable? (0+ / 0-)

    this argument really rubs me the wrong way.  It is not acceptable and resources should be focused on mental health resources that are going to prevent all kinds of attacks.

    •  We can multi-task - deal w/guns AND mental health. (3+ / 0-)

      Choke off the supply of military weapons.

      Medical treatment for mentally ill people.

      Why, it's like we can shore up our offense AND plot a defense at the same time.

      And if you're foaming at the mouth with fear that the Moozlim in the White House will take away yer guuuuuuns, there's the proof that you qualify for mental health care.

    •  Natural born killers (1+ / 0-)
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      CA wildwoman

      People kill.  Always have, always will.  

      Till we get everyone's human nature purged, we need to protect ourselves.

      Reasonable limits: Anthrax, C4, drones, anti-aircraft missiles, and atom bombs on the no-buy list.  

      N-shot clips, armor-peircing cop-killer rounds,  need to be added to that list.

      No right is absolute.  Even religon and free speech have limits.

      Barack Hussein Obama- Don't Mock the Constitution.

      by odenthal on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:57:49 PM PST

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      •  There's no effort to improve mental health service (0+ / 0-)

        show me where that is happening.

        •  You're falling for the NRA distraction. (0+ / 0-)

          Bait n switch.

          We will never fix the people.  As if the root problem is a few bad people.  Anyone can snap.  You, your family, can suddenly "not like mondays".

          Given human fragile mental health; it is prudent to limit access to lethal force.

          You have a constitutonal right to easily kill 6 people; but not 30.

          Have you noticed how NRA refer to non-members as sheeple.  As if tthey are lone wolves looking afer the rest of us.   The gunz make them fully human.

          Notice too how there is always an implied threat - they will go postal if pushed too far.  Ha Ha.

          Barack Hussein Obama- Don't Mock the Constitution.

          by odenthal on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 01:37:48 AM PST

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    •  Nice strawman that I hear a lot. (1+ / 0-)
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      That violent crime not involving guns doesn't bother us at all. This year a transsexual person was beaten nearly to death by hate criminals and a lesbian was beaten brutally by her SO's brother on Thanksgiving. You better believe that bothered the shit out of me.

      But there is absolutely nothing wrong with being bothered more by violent crime involving guns than other violent crime. That's because unlike with guns, with other types of violent crime you actually have a more than small chance of surviving it. Not so much when bullets blow through your body.

      Someone in a FB group I debate said "You only care about violence with guns because you have an agenda".

      You're damn right I have an agenda. That agenda is fewer deaths from violent crime.

      Yes we can address the propensity towards violence - all kinds of violence. That can include improving our mental health system, also include trying to reduce inequality, better education, etc.

      But first and foremost I want fewer people to die from gun violence. Australia figured it out. Japan figured it out. Just about all of the rest of the free world figured it out. What's our excuse?

      liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

      by RockyMtnLib on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:27:54 PM PST

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      •  there are limited resources (0+ / 0-)

        and right now none of them are going to mental health resources.  Crow all you like.  Ignoring the mentally ill will not make them go away.

        •  My comment says completely the opposite (0+ / 0-)

          of ignoring mental health issues. Step 1 is to put a tourniquet on the wound - i.e. address the access to assault weapons. Then while we're at it we can look at drilling down the mental health issues as well as other societal ills that can play a role in violent crime.

          But it's undeniable to me that easy access to these instruments turns a fire into a wildfire.

          liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

          by RockyMtnLib on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:22:31 PM PST

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