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  •  And how do they propose to determine who is (3+ / 0-)
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    mentally ill when it is difficult for even the best psychiatrists and psychologists in many cases? And what kinds of mental illnesses would quality? And where would they draw the lines?

    It is quite clear that the NRA and any others making such absurd proposals don't have the slightest idea of what they are talking about.

    "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats ..." - Kenneth Grahame -

    by RonK on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:53:18 PM PST

    •  Ted Nugent is a board member - 'nuff said nt (1+ / 0-)
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      by msmacgyver on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:02:12 PM PST

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    •  The mental health community ... (0+ / 0-)

      is already trained to assess whether a person is a danger to himself or others.  Making them liable for improperly releasing dangerous individuals would change the landscape considerably.

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 08:17:51 PM PST

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      •  Not the 1950s, dude. (0+ / 0-)

        We don't institutionalize every mentally ill person. Nor does every person who is mentally ill and about to engage in an act of violence as result immediately report themselves to the authorities.

        We don't magically know who does and does not need help.

        •  One, I'm not a "dude". (0+ / 0-)

          Two, I didn't say we should institutionalize every mentally ill person, just the ones who pose a danger.  Three, professionals DO know who likely poses a danger.

          "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

          by Neuroptimalian on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:27:40 PM PST

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          •  I was using "dude" in a common gender meaning. (0+ / 0-)

            Concerning your two remaining points:

            The former hinges upon the success of the latter. Regrettably, the latter exceeds the limits of modern medical technology. Which doctor knew that Lanza was going to be violent? We can extend this to many criminals. For the former point to be effective, the latter must be possible with better than ~90% accuracy. Modern medicine can't do that yet. It's medicine, not a crystal ball.

            Further, an individual who is mentally ill and may be violent is not continuously so. It is very easy for the person to show no signs of violent tendencies at all when they're around medical professionals, and yet still commit an act of violence.

            False negatives are not our only concern. False positives are as well. I know one fellow who suffers from bipolar disorder. He is deeply fearful, and engages in boxing training and weight lifting. He speaks frequently of violence and can be very alarming. The reality is that as long as I've known him he's never actually acted on his bravado. It's all talk. There are many such people. Many of them may be institutionalized needlessly. Once in an institutional environment, the stress exacerbates their illness turning it into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Such poor people are then effectively incarcerated, without having done anything wrong, and unable to do what is necessary for them to get better.

            There is a book I recommend reading. It is fairly short, called Ten Days in a Madhouse. It is an exposé of mental hospitals more than a hundred years ago. It provides considerable insight into the current handling of mental illness. I do not think that modern institutions would be nearly so bad, but the reality is that institutionalizing people isn't the best way to handle mental illness.

            I appreciate your desire to find a good solution, but your ideas are simply unimplementable, I'm afraid.

            •  Unimplementable? (0+ / 0-)

              Psychiatrists institutionalize dangerous people all the time on the basis of assessing whether a person is a considerable risk to himself or others.  It's their JOB, one they're supposedly trained to be able to do.  If they're too weaselly to handle that part of their jobs, they should be replaced or, at a minimum, demoted to a level at which they're capable of adequately performing.

              Why the shrinks who knew about the dangers clearly posed by the Aurora, Tucson and Virginia killers didn't act is inexcusable.  They should be held accountable and sued, hopefully instilling enough fear in other shrinks to cause them do their jobs in the future as well.  As to Lanza's shrink, we don't know that there even was one, at least not recently.  No meds were found at the home.  There, I believe it'll ultimately turn out that Mom not only didn't get her son the attention he needed, she exacerbated his condition by attempting to force him into independence he was nowhere near ready for.

              "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

              by Neuroptimalian on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 12:43:37 AM PST

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