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  •  What if ... (1+ / 0-)
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    Shane Hensinger

    Lanza decided to not bother even going there because he knew there were armed people at the school?  That's why they choose schools and other places like them, because they know they can do the most damage.  How many times has someone gone into a police station to try and shoot up the place?  None that I'm aware of.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

    by Neuroptimalian on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:24:14 PM PST

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    •  No mass shootings at pet stores, either. (1+ / 0-)
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      I didn't have any luck finding any mass shootings at pet stores. Not a lot of guns there.

      The number and location of shootings says very little about the cause without considering the larger context. You can't assume a cause and then further assume that that can be transferred elsewhere.

      I reiterate: How many children are acceptable collateral damage in the scenario you advocate? What is stopping the gunman from using a child as a human shield? We already know that most such gunmen have little concern for their safety. If they did worry about the danger of being killed, they wouldn't kill themselves.

      The threat of deadly force does not work on these people, they have already moved beyond such fears.

      •  Pet stores aren't usually crowded, ... (0+ / 0-)

        though malls often are ... and malls are targeted for the same reason schools are.

        If you don't think the initial absence of deadly force is a factor ... if not THE factor, other than location population density ... just what DO you think serves to draw killers to schools, malls and theaters?  It seems pretty obvious to me that the attraction is the odds of a high number of casualties that serves their goal.

        The whole "acceptable collateral damage" question is just nonsense.  You can ban guns 100% starting tomorrow and such laws won't remove a single one of the 300 MILLION that are already out there.  Get real.  Vulnerable people of all ages will continue to die and the only way to reduce their numbers is by being equipped and able to confront their attempting killers when they make their moves.

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 12:29:09 AM PST

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    •  Concealed weapon = dead guard. (1+ / 0-)
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      Both VA Tech and Columbine had armed guards.

      Useless against a heavily armed attacker. Totally useless.

      Maybe you want to hire a tactical SWAT Team for every school.

      Duty cycle = 0.000000001%.

      Compared with locking away guns and running tight licensing so paranoid schizophrenics get little to no access to them.... That's cheap and easy to implement and it works.

      "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 09:02:49 AM PST

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      •  I totally agree ... (0+ / 0-)

        that securing guns in homes and keeping guns away from paranoid schizophrenics are absolutely necessary.  But I vehemently disagree that armed guards are "totally useless" against an armed attacker.  If that were true, there'd be no armed guards anywhere.  And I'd rather at least have a chance against an attacker as opposed to having no chance whatsoever; that'd be absolute suicide.

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 01:06:19 PM PST

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        •  I have worked at three sites (0+ / 0-)

          where angry or deranged attackers murdered armed guards.

          At one of these the guards did respond effectively. It is a large military installation.

          Really, unless you have your weapon out and ready to fire, you're nothing but the first target when a heavily armed attacker comes in.

          "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

          by bontemps2012 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 03:45:47 PM PST

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