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  •  Thanks, KOSC. As I was reading (10+ / 0-)

    comments from top to bottom, I was amazed to find that no one had brought up the fact that had someone walked into a grade school in a black community and started firing an AK47, the death toll of black first graders could have been just as high as that of white first graders at Sandy Hook.  The ratio of white to black on a national scale goes out the window if a large, confined group of 6 & 7 year old black school children are attacked.  

    And, no one can convince me that the majority of people in this country would not be just as horrified and heartbroken as we were at Sandy Hook by such a tragedy.

    The horror was that the victims were primarily children, not WHITE children.

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    by Ellen Columbo on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 07:11:59 PM PST

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    •  The conversation would be different (15+ / 0-)

      Would most of the country be horrified? Certainly.

      But the reaction would depend on the killer. If the assault were carried out by a black male the MSM would be discussing black culture and analyzing why African-American males are so violent.

      Race was not brought up in the Sandy Hook massacre. However, if the killer was black you know it would have been a major part of the conversation.

      And to be blunt there would be a particular segment of the population who wouldn't be all that upset. We would IMO hear the equivalent of the "knits make lice" comments.

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      by slatsg on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:38:56 PM PST

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    •  The subject gets convoluted (9+ / 0-)

      I think the diarist's basic thesis about the insensitivity to, and acceptance of the rate of murdered black children is quite correct and something that does suggest a bit of white privilege.

      But perhaps using Sandy Hook as an exemplar of the problem is not the best choice since (a) it's the scale of the incident and fact they were young children that draws attention, not that they were white not black; (b) he scales in the wrong direction to make the case, i.e., on a rate per population basis, a black "Sandy Hook" would require fewer absolute victims.

      Which raises an interesting question: do we already have black Sandy Hooks that go ignored?

      I have also tired to raise the issue of "everyday murder rates" in these discussions because they are actually a greater problem then these statistical outliers that grab our attention.

      IMHO, the fact that occasionally >3 kids get killed and make us feel bad is less of an issue than the hundreds or thousands that get killed and basically ignored.

      So if just Johnny gets shot it's OK but if half his class gets mowed-down it's a problem?  

      Hate to put it that way, but there are more Johnnies and they are all innocent children.

      It's "useful" that these mass-shooting get attention to the issue but we really need to look at the big picture too and spare a little outrage for the anonymous little ones.

      And use these data to change laws.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 09:19:02 PM PST

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    •  Exactly. (4+ / 0-)
      The horror was that the victims were primarily children, not WHITE children.
      I am further sickened by any attempt to make our reaction to the murder of 20 little children and several of their adult protector/teachers about race. I reject such a sick viewpoint, strongly condemn it, and wonder aloud what the diarist will cry Wolf! about next.

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      by davidincleveland on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 09:24:08 PM PST

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      •  I don't get the horror in discussing it. (11+ / 0-)

        I can't tell you the number of kids who are killed by random drive by shootings here and many times they are inside their homes, in their own yards or just walking down the street.  

        No one seems to be particularly outraged about it.  It is what it is.

      •  You reject accusations of racism (2+ / 0-)
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        What a surprise.

        You realize that this diary wasn't blaming anyone specifically of being a racist.  There was no finger pointed at you.  But you had to make it about yourself.

        That's called privilege, assuming you're the important one.

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        by AoT on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 09:25:55 AM PST

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        •  You have NO IDEA what you're talking about... (1+ / 0-)
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          and your attitude toward davidincleveland's post is just as ignorant as ANY post that tries to use this horrific event as a talking point for race.

          Not everything is about race.

          If 20 black children were killed in the way these poor kids were, by a piece of garbage who worshipped guns and fancied himself a "warrior" or whatever he considered himself, they outrage would be equal.

          And not everything on this planet is a talking point. I have a friend who lost a daughter in this event and I cannot even expect you to understand what she's going through and how she has to not only relives the event daily but will eventually find it as a political football thrown around by others who have the gall to speak so easily about it in relation to "race."

          I'm horrified by anyone who's killed. This was not an event like every other, and others like it would get just as much attention. Get a clue.

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          by Verbalpaintball on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 10:50:30 AM PST

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          •  You can claim that the outrage would be equal (0+ / 0-)

            all you want, but that doesn't make it so.

            I'm horrified by anyone who's killed.
            I'm sure you are, but are you really going to claim that you don't have more of a reaction when the people killed are more closely connected to you?  You care about this more because you are more closely connected to this than to the children being killed here where I am in Oakland, even though kids get killed here on a fairly regular basis.  And that's a normal human thing, but to pretend like there's no racial aspect of that is absurd.

            If your white then the chances are that you know more white people, so you'll care about white kids getting killed more than other kids, just statistics.  And if you're white you have more power and money that other folks, statistically speaking again.  That ends up with a systemic effect that makes it so the country does less about and cares less about black kids that die.  It's a fact.

            Saying we can't talk about race because this was a horrible tragedy is just as bad as saying we can't politicize this and talk about gun control.  We need to talk about both of those things, and violent media as well, in my opinion.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 11:03:24 AM PST

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