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  •  Cory Booker nailed this one. Newark has (18+ / 0-)

    murders largely because Newark's criminals get their hands on guns that are bought at 'secondary markets" in other states.

    Those "secondary markets" sell used guns with little to no regulation.

    And I'm not sure that America would have reacted all that differently if 20 small Black kids had been killed at a "PS 666" in Harlem.

    Kids are kids.

    Separating guns from criminals and from adult-onset paranoid schizophrenics are the twin problems we need to reduce our gun-murder problem. And there are so many criminals because of the War on Drugs madness.

    Australians did this in 1996. See here: MP Kelvin Thomson blog.

    If we can get behind copying Australia, item for item, then we can define the NRA-suckers for the BABY KILLERS they are.

    White House petition: Adopt Australia's gun laws which have eliminated 100% of gun massacres since adoption in 1996 with no effect on hunting

    "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

    by bontemps2012 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:18:12 AM PST

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    •  Say it the Other Way (8+ / 0-)

      If 20 first graders were killed at any school in the country the reaction would have been about the same.  Doesn't matter if it was rich, poor, black, white, public school, private school.

      It's not that "I'm not sure" if the reaction would be any different.  I am sure that the reaction would have been about the same.  They were so young, and so many, that this particular tragedy was in a class of its own.

      •  it's kids (3+ / 0-)
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        it's the innocents.  In this case it isn't their skin color.

        But the point is the same, hardly anyone pays much attention to poor on poor crime, even when the victims are young.  

        Bob Herbert is one who writes on these forgotten victims, and he is whistling in the wind.  

        One idea would be to give Bob Herbert air time.

        "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

        by anna shane on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 05:20:54 PM PST

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        •  Different Point (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm not saying the "missing white woman" phenomenon isn't real.  Of course it is.  The tragedies that are "routine" get ignored when they shouldn't.

          It is fair to say that this particular case isn't the time to make that point.  If you jump up at the funeral for little kids and say "but what about the whales", or global warming, or the war, or any other pet cause, you aren't helping your cause.  You're just coming off as a jackass trying to use dead little kids for your benefit.  Your pet cause may be really important, and you may have a really good point, but you're not helping your cause this way.

          •  Then my question is: (0+ / 0-)

            When would be a good time? All the other times these causes are ignored, or drowned out... No time is convenient, so why not now? Since we are talking about gun violence and the murder of innocents then if not now, when?

            "In the battle of existence, Talent is the punch; Tact is the clever footwork. Wilson Mizner -7.25/-5.64

            by mikejay611 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:06:39 AM PST

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            •  Not the time, but the connection. (0+ / 0-)

              You can say "a black kid was shot in Detroit, that's terrible, it shouldn't happen" today, yesterday, or tomorrow.  It's a serious issue and you can talk about it any time.

              What I thought would backfire is to try and connect that tragedy to the tragedy in Newtown in a way that diminishes the tragedy in Newtown as exaggerated, illegitimate, or otherwise wrong.  Telling people "you're only this upset because they were rich and white" is factually not true and just guaranteed to backfire.

              It's one thing to say "people should grieve more than they do for the one black kid shot in Detroit".  It is completely different to say "people are grieving too much for the 20 dead kids in Newtown".  

              •  And I don't think (0+ / 0-)

                anyone who is indeed concerned about the disparity in attention from the media, etc.  feels this way at all. I certainly don't. A tragedy is a tragedy no matter if one black child or 20 white children are senselessly slaughtered. The point I think is most central, is that they are equally tragic. Now for the sake of argument, would you presume to say the horrible deaths of those 20 beautiful children is more important or significant than the murder of one equally beautiful child from the inner city?

                "In the battle of existence, Talent is the punch; Tact is the clever footwork. Wilson Mizner -7.25/-5.64

                by mikejay611 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 01:53:09 PM PST

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    •  No, kids are not kids. (0+ / 0-)

      When it comes to little brown kids, America couldn't care less.

      The United States officially murdered about 200 children between 2004 and 2012 in Pakistan and Yemen alone, in the course of its drone based assassination program.

      And apparently, there is no serious mainstream opposition to the drone program (serious meaning substantial numbers of Congress members).

      I think we can safely conclude from that that Americans don't give a shit about killing brown kids.

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      "Und wer nicht tanzen will am Schluss - weiß noch nicht dass er tanzen muss", Rammstein, "Amerika"

      by cris0000 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:39:39 AM PST

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      •  Americans don't see a single frame (0+ / 0-)

        of war coverage that shows these kids getting killed.

        We had Al Jazeera in New York City for a year or so. On broadcast television. Up around Channel 47, line 3. That and the BBC feeds are now long gone.

        It's ignorance. Astonishing ignorance.

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

        by bontemps2012 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 09:33:27 AM PST

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