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  •  He seems prepared (3+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster, notrouble, linkage

    to use the strategy employed by Bill Clinton when faced with government shutdown due to an intransigent Republican House and Speaker: let the chips fall and bet that the country will blame the Republicans.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 07:17:14 PM PST

    •  No, the Republicans will (0+ / 0-)

      say that they expected the President to call their bluff, but he let the country go down the drain for political purposes. I have no idea why he isn't calling their bluff.  

      What can they do, impeach him?

      •  This may be a dumb question, but (1+ / 0-)
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        what would "calling their bluff" mean in this case?

        If it means invoking the 14th Amendment or other (claimed) Constitutional authority to bypass the debt ceiling, then I think we will never, ever hear the Republicans say that they expected the President to do that -- except in a context wherein they're threatening impeachment if he does so. The Republicans would look ridiculous if they hinted that the President should bail them out by doing this.

        Or did you mean something else that I'm missing?

        Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

        by Nowhere Man on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 07:44:48 PM PST

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        •  If we stop paying our bills, (6+ / 0-)

          and the markets around the world collapse.  THEN they would say that they never expected him to actually not pay the appropriated obligations.

          It was the president who controls the Treasury.  He need not evoke any explanation, but simply pay the damn bills that congress appropriated.

          It's up to them to get an injunction, and if the Supremes tell him not to pay the bills, then he may stop, but it was the Republican house and court that is then responsible.

          This is a pending disaster, and he is playing law professor.

          •  If he did that (0+ / 0-)

            they'd be talking impeachment. And not just talking.

            Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

            by Nowhere Man on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 09:03:35 PM PST

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            •  So What... (2+ / 0-)
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              TheOpinionGuy, Wendys Wink

              Bill Clinton was impeached...it's a badge of honor.  Do you think that a Democratic Majority Senate would fnd 66 votes to convict.

              You've made my point.

              •  OK, wait... (0+ / 0-)

                I'm actually still confused about what you mean by "calling their bluff". Evidently, what you mean is something like what I wrote above -- using (claimed) Constitutional authority to prevent the default. Is that it?

                Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

                by Nowhere Man on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 05:00:18 AM PST

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