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  •  Seems like a complete failure of leadership (2+ / 0-)
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    I guess theyre getting good at that

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:54:27 AM PST

    •  Not really (11+ / 0-)

      Aren't Republicans getting exactly what they want from Boehner? His job (to them) is to:

      A. Pass TeaBagger legislation
      B. Block everything else.

      Seems to me he's doing an outstanding job. Party first!!

      Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

      by bear83 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 08:30:07 AM PST

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    •  Why Do I Get the Feeling That Things Were Fine (1+ / 0-)
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      all along, despite the Fiscal Cliff This and That that's been on the news 24/7 for the last month and a half?

      The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

      by teacherjon on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 08:31:32 AM PST

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      •  They're not fine RE income and payroll taxes (3+ / 0-)
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        ... UC benefits, etc.

        The Cliff is self-inflicted by Congress and correctable as soon as the House Republicans want their defense contractors to get paid instead of cut. The debt ceiling is an issue that must be cured by more than six-month temporizings, but it's apparently down the road long enough that President Obama can veto a bill he doesn't lie and not, by that action, tube American credit.

        But middle class tax increases on January 1 are not fine. Neither is gutting child care credits, etc.

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 09:01:36 AM PST

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    •  Not convinced that Harrys' leadership is at fault. (7+ / 0-)
    •  Failure of leadership (0+ / 0-)

      On both sides. Reid would be more credible if he had managed to submit a budget even once in the last several years.

      •  Really?! (9+ / 0-)

        Please tell me that you understand that federal budgets must, by law, originate in the House of Representatives.

        •  thank you! somestime i am blown away at the (3+ / 0-)
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          lack of understanding of how congress works around here.  i'm not sure it is as much hmi's fault as it is the gutting of our education system, tho.

          fyi, hmi - budget legislation can ONLY originate in the house of representarives - NOT in the senate or executive office.  that is the tea party smokescreen for not doing their legally assigned jobs!

          •  Gutted education system (0+ / 0-)

            I too am sometimes blown away by ignorance of commenters. You and Cinzano, e.g., have apparently not heard about the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 which, among other things, requires an annual budgetary resolution from both chambers of Congress. Here's one description.

            If only things worked like they told you in high school, you'd be golden. Maybe next time you won't race to hit the ridicule button before you know who the joke is on. Feel free to post an apology any time.

            •  The peterson foundation as a cite ??? (0+ / 0-)

              The "annual budget resolution" from the chambers and executive budgets submitted to OMB are simply hints and wishlists to see how much concurrence there is in place.

              The House still officially originates the budget and spending bills. The input from the senate and executive branch gives them the opportunity to know in advance what might fly. They can ignore this info if they desire.

              "requiring an annual budget resolution" has no force of law that can change the fact that it's the house responsibility to start the process. It's a red herring to blame the obstructionism on the Senate.

              The house proposed and passed a bill months ago. Knowing it would not pass the senate. So it was not a good faith proposal, it was constructed as an obstructionist poison pill and strictly for political cover.

              Maybe reading the Peterson (Peter G. Peterson) Foundation website is not the best source of constitutional information. The article cited was very clever, though. Misleading, but clever.

              Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

              by blindcynic on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 02:00:46 PM PST

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              •  Lame waffling (0+ / 0-)

                The Peterson was merely a reasonably clear explanation of the issue. Feel free to point out some actual particular about it that was misleading. For instance, does the 1974 act say something about "hints and wishlists" and then declare that compliance is voluntary?

                Meantime, let me make it simple for you:

                Is it, or is it not the case that the 1974 law requires both houses to pass a budget resolution? Yes, or no?

                Is it, or is it not the case that the Senate, having done this for years and years, has failed to do so for a handful of years now? Yes, or no?

                That ought to be simple enough for you. But thanks for your high school civics lesson. I haven't had to teach constitutional law for a few years, so I might have forgotten where spending bills originate. Good work—you'll get a gold star yet.

                •  your insulting arrogant tone insures you will not (0+ / 0-)

                  engage many people on this site or elsewhere.

                  you have NO idea of the depth of knowledge of others, but it is good to know that you have all the right answers.  good night.

                  •  Good morning (0+ / 0-)

                    If insulting arrogance bothers you, maybe you shouldn't have jumped in with your comment suggesting  my supposed ignorance based on a faulty education. I gave back only the puffed-up arrogance you chose to lead with.

                    BTW: an apology would still be appropriate—not that I hold my breath in anticipation.

    •  One Strategy... (1+ / 0-)
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      Everyone who wants to see the Middle Class Tax Bill brought to the floor of the House ought to send a copy of the petition  -  - to all members who have not yet signed it, so the effort can at least have been presented in full to the entire House.

      Since Boehner is unwilling.

      It is, after all, the same bill already passed be the Senate.

      It only needs 35 more signatures to make it happen...

      "Obama wasn't elected to play nice with Republicans. -kos

      by Beastly Fool on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 12:12:31 PM PST

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