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  •  I'm not a Torah scholar (0+ / 0-)

    I don't have the Talmud here - it's thousands of dollars worth of books.  I only remember from shiurim that the gate is mentioned in a number of places - I can't tell you where, only that I remember hearing it in Jewish sources.

    I am an ignorant Jew.

    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

    by Mortifyd on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 01:56:10 PM PST

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    •  Not ignorant, just mistaken. (6+ / 0-)

      There is a Talmudic saying about "people so clever they could have put an elephant through a needle's eye", but the needle-as-gate has no historical or philological basis until at least the Middle Ages.    

      (I cross-referenced academic multiple sources to make sure.)

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 03:57:16 PM PST

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      •  It really doesn't make any difference (24+ / 0-)

        whether it's a gate, or a camel hair rope,or anything else.

        The point of Jesus' story is pretty plain: the richer you are, the more apt you are to put too much importance on wealth.  It is hard for rich people to get into heaven, not because they're wealthy, but because they often let their wealth become their god.

        •  THIS. nt (3+ / 0-)
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          by emidesu on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 06:02:56 PM PST

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        •  It makes a difference to those of us (1+ / 0-)
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          who wanted to have a conversation about the history and background of the expression.  What you do with it is up to you, but yes, it does make a difference to me.

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 06:25:58 PM PST

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        •  Let's not forget... (4+ / 0-)

          ...the issue that the OP raised: Why Christians in the U.S. appear to be so malleable that they wind up with political views diametrically opposed to the teachings of a person that they... worship, no less....

          The whole point of the OP mentioning the camel/needle thing is to shed light on how fucked up fundie christianity has become. It's so bad now that they'll even raise a folk etymological chestnut to allow them to deny the actual teachings of their own "savior", and remain pretzelled up into a weird, zombie-like (half worshiping, half re-crucifying) religio-philosophical conundrum.

          So the point isn't so much whether the OP's mom had a sound exegesis with which to respond to her offspring. The point is to shed light on the amazing slipperiness of the human soul.

          But the question from the title remains: Why?

          And that's what I came to the comments looking for.

          My own take: The right is good (very good) at exploiting fundmentalists' need to feel like a victim. If you listen to the right wing press and tea party jabbering, it's larded with martyrdom; you know, the way the Roman Empire martyred the Christians by threatening to raise the taxes of the rich.

          Isn't it a good feeling when you see the paper in the morning, it says 'Axe Slayer Kills 19' and you say, "They can't pin that one on me!" - Jean Shepherd

          by razajac on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 08:21:53 PM PST

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      •  am haaretz means ignoramus (0+ / 0-)

        man of the land - bumpkin. idiot.

        That's me.  Thanks.

        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

        by Mortifyd on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:11:34 PM PST

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        •  I can't agree, Mort (0+ / 0-)

          because I know you.  I have enjoyed our discussions, and learned a lot from them.  You are knowledgeable and witty, "a gentleman and a scholar", as my freshman homeroom teacher used to say.

          Fox News is to the truth as a flaming bag of dog shit is to a packed lunch. --MinistryOfTruth

          by snazzzybird on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:01:49 AM PST

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          •  I appreciate that (1+ / 0-)
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            but any rabbi worth his smicha will flat out say I am an am haaretz - and a dangerous one at that. LOL

            I do feel more positive than when I posted that comment last night, I admit.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:51:00 AM PST

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