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  •  The target of his comments said: (5+ / 0-)
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    James Hormel said, upon being told there was an apology:

    “I have not received an apology,” Hormel, who is a major figure in Democratic politics, told me. “I thought this so-called apology, which I haven’t received, but which was made public, had the air of being a defensive move on his part.” Hormel added that the apology appeared to have been given “only in service of his attempt to get the nomination.”

    "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

    by Scott Wooledge on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 07:22:05 PM PST

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    •  Scott: You quote WP, the newspaper that supported (1+ / 0-)
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      the Iraq war and opposes Hagel on the ground that he believes the military budget is bloated and needed to scale back.  

      What WP reports is not exactly what Ambassador Hormel says on his Facebook:

      Senator Hagel's apology is significant--I can't remember a time when a potential presidential nominee apologized for anything. While the timing appears self-serving, the words themselves are unequivocal--they are a clear apology. Since 1998, fourteen years have passed, and public attitudes have shifted--perhaps Senator Hagel has progressed with the times, too. His action affords new stature to the LGBT constituency, whose members still are treated as second class citizens in innumerable ways. Senator Hagel stated in his remarks that he was willing to support open military service and LGBT military families. If that is a commitment to treat LGBT service members and their families like everybody else, I would support his nomination.
      I hope you will amend what you wrote above.
      •  I quoted Hormel himself. (2+ / 0-)
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        You are contending that the Washington Post fabricated his quotes?

        I assure you that isn't the case.

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:26:20 PM PST

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        •  My contention is that WP is hell bent to (1+ / 0-)
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          torpedo Hagel's potential nomination. Its reporting on this matter is dishonest.  If you compare what Amb. Hormel says on his facebook with what is reported in WP, it is easy to see that they do not convey exactly the same message.

          It would be fairer if you mention in your writing that neocons Bill Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Jennifer Rubin, Dan Señor are all against Hagel.  One might ask why. Perhaps you should also mention that that Hagel supported President Obama over McCain and Mitt Romney and he endorsed Joe Sestak over Pat Toomey, and Bob Kerrey over his Republican opponent.  

          •  No it's not dishonest reporting. (2+ / 0-)
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            Hormel said it. He said it to several outlets. He said other things, but impinging the Post doesn't mean he didn't say it. I posted it because other people were speaking for him, so I thought I'd provide the actual words he said, however inconvenient they are.

            And I DID mention neocon opposition, did you not read the piece? I didn't read off the list names.

            I don't always believe the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

            That's foolish calculus. No matter who Obama nominated the right wing would bitch. That's a given.

            "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

            by Scott Wooledge on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:10:42 PM PST

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          •  Hormel's Wapo comments (1+ / 0-)
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            were made before the White House probably leaned on Hormel to soften his position. The Facebook statement was made several hours after WaPo published his initial reaction and several people have surmised those comments prompted a call from someone high up in the administration telling Hormel to back off. Hormel's initial reaction is spot on IMO.

            "Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job." --Coretta Scott King

            by craigkg on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:11:31 PM PST

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          •  If you'd like to write all this, do so. (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't have to write the essay you'd like written, you're capable of doing it yourself. I wrote the essay that expressed my perspective on it.

            It would be fairer if you mention in your writing that neocons Bill Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Jennifer Rubin, Dan Señor are all against Hagel.  One might ask why. Perhaps you should also mention that that Hagel supported President Obama over McCain and Mitt Romney and he endorsed Joe Sestak over Pat Toomey, and Bob Kerrey over his Republican opponent.  

            "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

            by Scott Wooledge on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:11:54 PM PST

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