Skip to main content

View Diary: The problem with Chuck Hagel (216 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  Did I say homophobia is dead? (0+ / 0-)

    Of course it isn't.  But why do you think DADT was the best Clinton could do in 1993 to fulfill his campaign pledge of ending the military ban on homosexuals?  DADT wasn't ended until last year.  And even still, yes, homophobia remains.

    Same-sex marriage is another case in point.  Obama did not support it until this year, 2012.  People evolve -- society evolves.  It doesn't happen overnight, it's a slow, ongoing process.

    I celebrate the progress.  And I commend those who are enlightened enough to change their views for the good rather than condemn them for their past views, with which I don't happen to agree.

    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

    by winsock on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:00:25 PM PST

    [ Parent ]

    •  Your commendations would be commendable if they (0+ / 0-)

      were based on reality. This is incorrect,

      Same-sex marriage is another case in point.  Obama did not support it until this year, 2012.  People evolve -- society evolves.
      Candidate Obama supported marriage equality in 1996, when he ran for a very liberal district's state senate seat in Illinois. He 'devolved' from that political position while running for the US Senate seat from Illinois in 2004. His cited reason for his change of heart in 2004 (and 2008) was religious conviction.

      I never said you said homophobia was dead. You made that up. What I did was QUOTE you saying that homophobia was largely the status quo a few years ago, with your implication (prior to that line) that we've changed. I stopped short --for courtesy's sake-- of calling that comment bogus, BS, horseshit and obfuscation. Judging by your comment in reply to my laughter at your expense, I withdraw the courtesy of thinking you only hopelessly naive and uninformed.

      Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

      by davidincleveland on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:27:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  There is no question (0+ / 0-)

        that societal attitudes are changing.  A 1996 Pew Research poll showed 67% of Americans opposed to same-sex marriage, 27% in favor.  Today, the same Pew Research poll shows 43% opposed and 48% in favor.

        Since the 1990s (and before) there has also been growing support by Americans for acceptance of LGBT in society.

        This is not only my opinion but based on fact  And the younger generation is unquestionably more accepting of LGBT individuals.  Yes, we still have further to go, but much progress has occurred.

        Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

        by winsock on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 10:03:41 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site