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  •  The President is standing in a good (5+ / 0-)

    Position here.  It feels like we've got the republicans on the ropes.  Let's hope they feel the pain, not just now, but for years to come.

    20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

    by the dogs sockpuppet on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:08:27 AM PST

    •  I am afraid Democrats will give away the farm (5+ / 0-)

      We should let estate taxes go up and we should let the rich pay a little more.  And we could do this if we could get a vote on such a plan.  We can't.

      What will happen is the "compromise" will be "paid for" at some point by cutting "entitlements".  This is the government the red states voted for.  I would rather force this issue and go over the cliff.

      Mrick

      •  hmm.... My glass is half full today. (2+ / 0-)
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        If you saw Ezra Klein last night, you would realize that our hand strengthens as this drags out.  Boehner is going to wish he took the offer on the table last week.

        Will we love everything? Probably not... But the longer the republicans obstruct, the stronger we get.  This may help us with filibuster reform as well.

        20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

        by the dogs sockpuppet on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:23:10 AM PST

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        •  Our hand may be strengthened (3+ / 0-)
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          but in the final analysis, our Dem leaders are no more  willing than the GOP to raise taxes on the wealthy.

          They've worked very hard to teach us that we will dislike most of every deal they negotiate, to lower our expectations.  They've taught us we have to take the bitter medicine and stop complaining.

          Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

          by Betty Pinson on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:35:50 AM PST

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          •  Pure Hyperbole (5+ / 0-)
            our Dem leaders are no more  willing than the GOP to raise taxes on the wealthy.
            The President has made clear that taxes are going up on the wealthy as part of any deal. They're going up, period, either through a deal or because of the cliff.  You'll complain that they didn't go up enough and you'll get 33 recs for saying it, but that won't make your comment any less of a lie.
            •  We'll see (0+ / 0-)

              I think we have to be realistic in accepting that the wealthy folks are the ones who fund Dem races as well as GOP ones.  They also provide highly paid sinecures after public service, too.

              Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

              by Betty Pinson on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 09:59:47 AM PST

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          •  Does not compute, I'm afraid. We (4+ / 0-)

            Campaigned on this, and I haven't seen any signs of wavering on raising taxes on the wealthy.

            Are we all of a sudden doing rox/sux?  Cuz I don't play that game.

            20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

            by the dogs sockpuppet on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:18:06 AM PST

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        •  Tell that to Carl Levin re: filibuster reform (4+ / 0-)

          ...it is beyond stupid for some of the old Democratic Senate bulls like Levin to stubbornly resist changes to traditional filibuster rules which have become so dysfunctionally abused and distorted by the GOP minority as to present so many opportunities for a few, or even a single, Senator to grind the entire body and government to a halt.  The rationale that the rules would protect the Dems equally if at some point they again become the minority party is delusionally stupid and shortsighted: if the GOP wins a Senate majority in 2014 and the presidency in 2016, they will happily, the very first week of the session, change the Senate rules to dilute or eliminate the filibuster, precisely to prevent the Dems from using the same tactics they employed to grind their agenda to a halt.

        •  About that filibuster reform (0+ / 0-)

          See comments above about giving away the farm.

          Mrick

          •  Not a done deal. Just means they (0+ / 0-)

            Are coming to the table...

            Look I'm no cheerleader, but I get really fucking tired of all the bitching about things that haven't happened.

            20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

            by the dogs sockpuppet on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:42:05 AM PST

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            •  That's when one should bitch (1+ / 0-)
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              After the fact it is a bit late.

              Or to look at it another way - Not having happened is a good reason to bitch about filibuster reform, no?  Didn't we blow this opportunity last time?

              So to go back to what I originally posted, we need a mild redistribution effect in this country and the refusal of the Republicans to allow even modest taxation of the wealthy is going to result in bigger deficits and demands to cut "entitlements".  That was the whole Bush strategy about going to war and cutting taxes on the wealthy and ruffing up deficits.  And you have Democrats buying off on so called "Social Security" reform.  Yeah - bitch time is now.

              Mrick

              •  ugh, you are tiresome. I said nothing about calli (0+ / 0-)

                Or putting pressure on your senators. I'm a huge believer in action.  But bitching to me is just annoying.  Tell me you made some calls.  Maybe that'll make you feel better.  That's what I do... So I know I've done everything I can.  Bitching is just so demotivating.

                20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

                by the dogs sockpuppet on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 09:12:30 AM PST

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                •  Ha Ha - Calls to Jeb Hersarling - (0+ / 0-)

                  Yes for all the good it does.  How about John Cornyn - I gave up on him.  And then since Kay Baily Hutchinson was too liberal for my state we now have good old Ted Cruz.  I may pass on that call.

                  I have even called local right wing radio to try to counter some of the wingnut propaganda.  Have you done that?  They hang up on you and then talk to you like you are still there.

                  I will say this.  When Jeb Hersarling showed up at my City Hall to sell the Bush privatization of social security, he damn near got run out on a rail.  Even the Republicans were not buying what he was selling.  But they didn't vote him out.

                  Mrick

                  •  now I know you are busy just demoralizing folks. (0+ / 0-)

                    My senators are Mike Lee and Orinn Hatch... But who did I call?  Harry Reid, Carl Levin and other persuadable Dems.  Or you can keep grousing, but I don't want to hear it!

                    20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

                    by the dogs sockpuppet on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 12:07:12 PM PST

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                    •  I use money for that (2+ / 0-)

                      I have contributed to out of state campaigns and I have called Reid's office.  But maybe your point is well taken that I should rattle their cage more.

                      As to the grousing - it is what it is.  Just an observation that I fear we will give away the farm.  I am already pissed about the chained CPI.

                      Mrick

                      •  ok well thanks for calling and donating :) (1+ / 0-)
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                        It gives you some grouse room ;). Keep up the pressure and I hope I wasn't too peristently annoying. I'm no Pollyanna, but I'm pretty action oriented.

                        20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

                        by the dogs sockpuppet on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 12:21:23 PM PST

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        •  Filibuster Reform in Senate, New Speaker in House (0+ / 0-)

          Since nothing is voted on in the House without the Speaker's permission (that's the way it works), Boehner has to be satisfied with whatever the Senate passes; if he isn't, he doesn't put it up for a vote and --

          NOTHING HAPPENS, and we go off the cliff.

          There is no way that the Senate will come up with anything that Boehner likes.  Why?  Because Boehner is now totally hogtied by the Tea Party Republicans, whom he needs to retain his Speakership.  Since Boehner doesn't want to risk losing his Speakership, it's a Catch 22, we're stuck, and nothing gets done.

          Which is why WE NEED TO GET RID OF JOHN BOEHNER AS SPEAKER!!

          So let me again draw your attention to my petition on Change.org calling on both Pelosi and Boehner to withdraw their candidacies for Speaker on January 3rd.  That petition is located at http://www.change.org/.... .  It is time for a bipartisan Speaker.  

          And I'm asking all of you, in fact I'm pleading with all of you, to please sign this petition, and let's break the gridlock that's threatening to derail the first two years of President Obama's second term.

          We know that Pelosi doesn't have a majority in the House.

          And it became clear last week that Boehner doesn't have a working majority either.

          It's time for both of them to step aside and give a bipartisan coalition a chance to do the job.

          Representatives Simpson (R-ID) and Shuler (D-NC) report that a letter they wrote, which concedes major points to both sides, now has the signature of forty representatives apiece from both parties, though they have not yet released the names.  Whether these eighty people could form the nucleus of a bipartisan coalition or not, the bottom line is that centrists have not been given a chance to step into the leadership vacuum and try their hand at solving this situation.  And in the wake of two years of gridlock, gridlock that's threatening to last another two years if recent events are any indication, it's become apparent that the current leadership structure in the House has become a millstone around President Obama's neck.

          If we want the president's second term to be a success then we must try something different, something new, something out of the box.

          Speaker Boehner, Leader Pelosi, I'm calling on both of you to step aside from the election for Speaker on the 3rd of next month for the good of the country.  It's time, in fact it's overdue, to give someone else a chance.

          The American people spoke plainly in the election:  they re-elected President Obama, they added to the Senate's Democratic majority, and they took seats away from the Republicans in the House.  What is it about "House, you're doing a bad job" do you not understand?

          Thank you for your attention, your support and your signature!

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