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  •  Statements like this would feed (3+ / 0-)
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    ban nock, winsock, ER Doc

    into a fear of people trying to stop gun owners from owning guns, I would think.

    So if you feel like your comment helps reduce gun violence, you may wish to consider it in this context?

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    by mahakali overdrive on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 12:44:54 PM PST

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    •  Do you understand the publics reaction to (2+ / 0-)
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      the killings in Newtown? The increased demands for more gun regulation?

      Obama 2012

      by jiffypop on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 12:50:17 PM PST

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      •  Absolutely, and I feel them as well (1+ / 0-)
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        and I support an increase in gun regulation as well. Why do you ask?

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        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 12:53:06 PM PST

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      •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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        Do you understand the fear that law abiding gun owners feel? That they are about to be deprived of items that they hold dear, for no wrongdoing of their own?

        •  Gee (2+ / 0-)
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          Let me cry them a fucking river.

          That's if I can muster up any tears after the amount shed for 20 children.

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          by Miss Blue on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 03:07:45 PM PST

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        •  Well I'd really like to understand (1+ / 0-)
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          Why do you hold these items so dear.  This is not a trick question.  I don't own a gun and never have.

          What's so precious about them to you.  How would losing them make you feel exactly?

          •  It's complex, for me. (1+ / 0-)
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            I've seen guns used to do bad things in the past, both here and overseas, and I've come to realization that, in moments of violence, there is no one to protect you. Calling the cops is useless when the gun is already being waved in your face. You have to protect yourself.

            If such a moment ever comes for me, I would like to have the ability to respond to force with force. To act on my own behalf. To at least have a fighting chance.

            For this reason I value guns as tools of personal defense above all things, and I staunchly oppose anything that makes them less effective in that role. I also appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into a quality weapon. The Glock 17 is a minimalist painting that shoots bullets. Simple, reliable and compact. While I don't get into 1911's and their various wood handles and precious metal inlays (I'm into function, as I said) I can understand how someone would feel passionate about a heavily worked on gun of any variety.

            Then there are those that enjoy them as an expression of Liberty. Owning a weapon, particularly one that makes someone from Europe recoil, incredulous at it's legality, is like taking a bath in pure freedom for some. It's like burning the flag to prove that you are free enough to do so. And so long as they came by that weapon legally, and don't use it to commit a crime, I say more power to them.

            •  Thanks so much (1+ / 0-)
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              for that candid reply - you explain yourself so lucidly!

              To lose the gun would make you feel helpless.  I'm originally from the UK and a female.  I know what feeling helpless feels like.  There it's not even legal to defend yourself with a bat if an intruder comes into the house.  (not 100% sure of current law)

              Women and older people feel under siege in their own homes and live their lives under a type of curfew where venturing out at night alone is considered unthinkable.  I remember feeling like that.  The risk of petty crime harassment in the UK is a constant fear.

              Coming to the US (at least in the suburban area where I live) I've never felt safer in my life.  Lived here for 17 years now.

              In a previous house in the US I hadan alarm system installed which would go off if any door or window was breached.  It gave me huge peace of mind.  So maybe that's a similar way to how you feel about having a gun in the house?

              My 16yo son who's into paintball and has been taken by his father to shooting ranges (with real guns) ADORES guns.  I asked him to explain why the love of guns.  He said until you've held a gun you don't understand the sense of empowerment it gives you.  It's a tremendous rush apparently.  He too appreciates the gun as a crafted object too separate from it's firing abilities.

              I don't know enough about the whole gun issue yet to come down firmly with any particular views.  I waver because I can see both sides.  But I'm learning and I think starting to hone my understanding.

              Something that I want to explore and understand is what is the 'tradeoff' if any between gun deaths of the few vs the reduction in protection from harassment, burglary, intimidation etc of the many.  I'm wondering if there's some statistic like 1 gun death = 2000 lesser crimes.  Or maybe there's no such correlation.

              But I do wonder if there IS a correlation - maybe it is the  a sacrifice of the MANY to spare the deaths of the few and how prepared I would be to give up that sense of security (whether real or imagined) after having had it my whole life.

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