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  •  "Surrender weapons"... (2+ / 0-)
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    annecros, Starbrite

    See, this is an example of why words matter.

    The moment you begin phrasing policy initiatives in that manner, you'll lose every Republican and moderate Dem policy maker and the gun owners they represent...and not because they necessarily disagree with your aim apropos assault weapons, but because gun owners see that as a signal of confiscation and the politicians' opponent in an upcoming election will run the words "surrender your rights (guns)" next to a picture of that person in every single ad up until the election...where the incumbent will be defeated handily.

    •  I like the "voluntary buyback" option (3+ / 0-)
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      Love Me Slender, pistolSO, johnxbrown

      people 1) don't like to be forced to do things by their government, especially concerning guns and 2) don't like to give something for nothing.

      But if we made a federal program to start buybacks across all fifty states, offering way more money than gun and pawn shops offer for the same gun, perhaps that would get a lot of guns off the streets and prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.

    •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)
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      lyvwyr101, Glen The Plumber

      But any way it's put, that's what has to happen or the legislation will be every bit as effective as the expired Assault Weapons Ban. That being not at all.

      If they pass another showpiece of a law that regulates firearms based upon cosmetics and grandfathers every item made up until the date the law goes into effect then they might as well skip it.

      People without the exact, up-to-date permits and registration cannot legally own full-auto weapons right now. People who own them illegally must surrender them or go to prison.

      So there's a nice way of saying that?

      It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

      by Fishgrease on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 02:00:03 PM PST

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      •  If you propose confiscation, you'll lose...PERIOD (2+ / 0-)
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        annecros, ban nock

        Americans don't like being told what to do...with their own bodies...with their religion...with their speech...with their guns.

        We are a freedom-loving people, Fishgrease. Test that to its extreme and you'll lose both the people you want to get on your side and those who represent them.

        •  That's what we've always heard. (1+ / 0-)
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          Glen The Plumber

          So that doesn't change with Sandy or Webster? If not then every bit of this is just talk. Nothing changes. Again, confiscation and imprisonment is in effect right now for some classes of firearms if you possess them without the proper permits and record-keeping. That class of firearms must expand, or every bit of this is useless.

          Right now, manufacture of high-capacity magazines is in high gear. Same with a number of semi-automatic rifles and handguns.

          Anything not

          1. retro-active

          2. confiscatory with other penalties as well

          is nothing.

          You may be right. Maybe it's impossible, politically. But lets not pretend anything short of that is meaningful. It just isn't.

          It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

          by Fishgrease on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 09:41:54 PM PST

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    •  How about if they have to (2+ / 0-)
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      lyvwyr101, Glen The Plumber

      jump through more regulatory hoops to keep them? That would nullify the politically scary "surrender" language and would at least be effective on some level beyond politics.

      Our elected folks are going to have to have some courage regarding this, and they're going to have to realize that being a coward has its own political downside.

      It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

      by Fishgrease on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 02:04:20 PM PST

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      •  You are proposing political suicide, Fishgrease... (3+ / 0-)
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        annecros, ban nock, lyvwyr101

        NO politician with half a brain will propose involuntarily confiscating guns from law-abiding gun owners. It has nothing to do with courage. It has to do with smart and effective policy making, which doesn't involve forcing law-abiding people to give up their property. Neither Republicans nor Democrats will engage in policy proposals that will spell doom for their careers.

        The gun buyback is a terrific idea if the goal is to get guns off the street. Plus, its voluntary and provides a financial incentive.

        •  Okay. Maybe I am. (1+ / 0-)
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          Glen The Plumber

          But I do demand of our politicians that they tell us that. "We cannot pass meaningful legislation and we're sorry about that."

          Rather than pass some bullshit law that does nothing.

          Either it's confiscatory and restrictive of ownership and retro-active (like the rest of the civilized World, by the way) or it is bullshit.

          To take your point as just as correct now as it was before these recent incidents which have changed some very conservative minds on this subject, admits a failure of government that must be baked into the American system.

          Buybacks are bullshit. Buybacks are headlines and nothing beyond that.

          It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

          by Fishgrease on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 09:51:45 PM PST

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    •  Yes words do matter (2+ / 0-)
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      winsock, Glen The Plumber

      Is it the phrase 'Gun Control' that causes the cold sweats ?Maybe  nerves would be less frazzled if the initiative was called "Gun Safety' instead.  

      I mean 'Control' is a very emotive word.  No one likes to feel that someone's trying to 'control' them.

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