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  •  good point on price/tax, although due to our wars (1+ / 0-)
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    there are probably considerable supplies of 5.56 and 7.62 Nato since it's produced by many different countries

    I would assume that many others will opt for the conversion kit so they can fire .22LR rounds instead of .223.
    Unfortunately though, .22 conversion kits are famous for not working well. In concept they are great, but when you can only get 3 or 4 rounds out of a gun before it stovepipes a spent shell on you, it turns into just another exercise in frustration. Most of the .22 conversion kits are made by companies that have nothing to do with making actual guns, and they can be a huge disappointment

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    by annieli on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 04:50:24 PM PST

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    •  good points (1+ / 0-)
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      Do you think some of the gun makers might adapt and make their own conversion kits?  If big changes come, it would be a whole new market for them given the huge amount of AR-15s out there.  Given that .22LR is about $0.10/round compared to $0.75-0.80/round for .223, there is a strong incentive to manufacture something that works well and is designed specifically for particular gun type.  Target shooters would make up the difference in the cost of a well made conversion kit pretty quickly with the cheaper ammo.  You are right, the world is awash in 5.56 and I am sure it will show up in bulk ammo crates for years to come.

      I never really understood the attraction of the AR-15s and those "militarized" style rifles.  The .223 round is horrible for large game hunting (maybe the flocks of people buying them don't understand that).  I don't hunt but I believe that if you have made the choice to kill an animal, you have to do it quickly and cleanly and a .223 just isn't the round.  Even the .243 is called the "varmint master" for a reason and is probably the minimum that should be used for ethical hunting (even for smaller critters).  I think in many states, .243 is the minimum for deer hunting.  There are plenty of old bolt action military rifles that can be "sporterized" for game hunting and don't require the manufacture of yet another new crappy gun that really has no game application.  And the old bolt actions are worthless for criminal activity.

      "When a nation goes down, or a society perishes, one condition may always be found; they forgot where they came from. They lost sight of what had brought them along." --Carl Sandburg

      by Mote Dai on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 06:07:47 PM PST

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      •  there's s surplus (1+ / 0-)
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        of smaller manufacturer 5.56 replacement uppers available and of course the associated interest in using the same receiver type for the 7.62 AR-10 patterns because of the need for longer distance military rounds in AfPak. I presently do not hunt and if I were it would be in varmint hunting as range management: chuck/prairie dog hunting.

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        by annieli on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 06:17:05 PM PST

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        •  I guess you are right (1+ / 0-)
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          Easier to do that.

          My fear is that there is some confusion for new gun owners about .223 vs 5.56 and I worry that new gun owners might try firing 5.56 in a .223 sport rifle.  I have read some posts on gun boards with people asking about that situation.

          "When a nation goes down, or a society perishes, one condition may always be found; they forgot where they came from. They lost sight of what had brought them along." --Carl Sandburg

          by Mote Dai on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 06:58:46 PM PST

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          •  true dat, although perhaps not as serious if (0+ / 0-)

            you know the spacing although I would say that .223 probably works OK for the casual small varmint shooter.

            ATK, the parent company of ammunition manufacturers Federal Cartridge Company and Speer, published a bulletin entitled “The Difference Between 223 Rem and 5.56 Military Cartridges.”  In this bulletin, ATK stated using 5.56 ammo in a .223 rifle could result in “…primer pocket gas leaks, blown cartridge case heads, and gun functioning issues.”

            However, the danger may be lower than SAAMI or ATK suggest.  In Technical Note #74 from ArmaLite, the company states “millions of rounds of NATO ammunition have been fired safely in Eagle Arms and ArmaLite’s® SAAMI chambers over the past 22 years,” and they have not had any catastrophic failures.

            According to ArmaLite:

            “Occasionally a non-standard round (of generally imported) ammunition will fit too tightly in the leade, and resistance to early bullet movement can cause elevated chamber pressures.  These pressures are revealed by overly flattened primers or by powder stains around the primer that reveal leaking gasses.”

            yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

            by annieli on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:18:07 PM PST

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