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  •  Question: It was reported, frequently, that (2+ / 0-)
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    Purple Priestess, lyvwyr101

    Mrs. Lanza, mother of the assassin, went to the range with her son. Did she use the illegal weapon there? Is the range under any obligation to refuse her that use based on the illegal weapon? Is there any avenue there for any kind of additional law to fill that loophole?

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 03:29:23 PM PST

    •  It's not illegal in CT. I don't know where the (4+ / 0-)
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      diarist is getting that.

      •  Well, perhaps we need to straighten that little (2+ / 0-)
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        factoid out immediately because it's important to the diary.

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 03:37:47 PM PST

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        •  I cut it out (7+ / 0-)

          Point is that while Newtown likely wouldn't have happened without an assault weapons ban, Webster happened due to a total breakdown of all safeguards to keep ANY gun out of the hands of felons.

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          by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 03:40:50 PM PST

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          •  I'm not so sure (and I'm on your side). (3+ / 0-)
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            Wayward Wind, Little, Joy of Fishes

            We don't know what happened in that gun store. Isn't it possible that he could have accompanied her under the guise of giving advice?

            Many people take someone to buy a product they don't know much about. If I were to buy a gun, I certainly would take someone that knew a lot more than I do.

            I just don't know. I haven't seen any real evidence to support evidence of an obvious straw purchase.

            The videos, though, of private purchases at gun shows where the buyer variously informs the seller "I probably couldn't pass a check" (or whatever was said, that wasn't it exactly but that is most certainly the basis of the statement) resulted in that seller breaking the law having been so informed by the buyer.

            And most people won't announce that. The vids did it to make the very strongest and most obvious point.

            Private sales/transfers MUST be subject to a NICS check. Every dang time. There's just no excuse.

            202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

            by cany on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 03:45:51 PM PST

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            •  And it would be so easy to do (8+ / 0-)

              1. Require all gun show promoters to have on-site NICS check capabilities;

              2. Require private transaction buyers to present a NICS clearance for that weapon before the seller can hand it over.  It could be easily arranged that a private buyer could get the NICS check and clearance document for a nominal fee at any gun shop, any law enforcement agency, and even a post office.  

              But we still have to get the NICS database straightened out - it is woefully inadequate as it stands now.

              I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

              by Wayward Wind on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 04:04:26 PM PST

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    •  Okay... so nevermind. The weapon WAS legal. (0+ / 0-)

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 03:40:46 PM PST

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      •  Wait... no it wasn't! Oy! (0+ / 0-)

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 04:25:53 PM PST

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    •  Possible confusion among multiple atrocities? (0+ / 0-)

      Webster, weapon obtained illegally, allegedly through a straw purchase.

      Newtown, mother bought weapon legally.

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