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  •  How Is It Clear? (1+ / 0-)
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    The diarist mentions nothing, though I see now there are some comments from him or her in the diary.

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 06:13:24 AM PST

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    •  It's more what he doesn't talk about (0+ / 0-)

      I saw where another poster complained that he'd ignored the "collusion" with the banks. It's clear to me that I'm going to have to read all of the documents before making a judgement. Right now I'm going to sleep.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 06:29:20 AM PST

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      •  I'm not sure I think there was collusion. (1+ / 0-)
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        The FBI meet with the Banks.  

        Let's take the meeting with the New York Stock Exchange.

        Occupy Wall Street was planning on "occupying wall street".  Regardless of how you feel about the financial system, you can't just waltz into a private business and take over.  

        The protest was well publicized and it makes sense for the FBI to ask the New York Stock Exchange if they were prepared with security.

        The other meetings with Denver wasn't a special meeting called by the FBI.  It was a monthly meeting where the FBI briefed them on OWS and Anonymous.  My conclusion was that the banks were far more scared of a cyber attack by Anonymous.

        •  If I Organized a Large Protest (0+ / 0-)

          At the home of a convicted sex offender who moved into my neighborhood, would the FBI notify the offender that the protest was coming so that he could make preparations?

          This isn't a great comparison -- because of the difference in scale -- but there are some similarities, no? These banks are under constant penalty by regulators and the courts for their behaviors, some of which have been incredibly egregious, like the manipulation of global interest rates for their own profits. Some have even by convicted of criminal wrong-doing.

          There are several problems here:

          1) The criminality of these institutions.
          2) What appears to be an unusual interest by the FBI in protecting them from "threats," real or perceived, even from legal activities and Constitutionally-protected speech.
          3) The appearance the FBI is giving -- that it is more interested in protecting banks from legal protests than it is in prosecuting them for their open, flagrant and continual wrong-doing.

          These are appearances. The documents -- reading more now -- don't give much information, really, do they? Yet to me they are highly suggestive of improper activities on the part of the FBI and improper relationships between the FBI and these enterprises, some of which are literally criminal, having been convicted in the courts.

          I think we are right to be skeptical, to be wary, to challenge the FBI and the Justice Department on these documents, and to do so in ways that are vehement, loud and impolite.

          "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

          by bink on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:23:06 AM PST

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          •  Good example (2+ / 0-)
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            If you plan a public protest against your neighbor and some of the participants start talking about burning his house down on the Internet, the FBI is going to get involved.

            You can't threaten physical or property violence against people and business that you don't like.  That is why the FBI was involved.  Because dumb idiots were making bravado threats on the internet.  They weren't there for the 99% of peaceful protesters.

            The FBI is interested in protecting all business/people against physical and cyber harm.  That is their job.  If you had actually read the documents, you would see that there a few that discuss them investigating threats against OWS and taking action.

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