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  •  Every person commenting on this (5+ / 0-)
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    Sarea, Bluesee, nickrud, zett, dradams

    including myself is operating on some assumption or another.

    I hope they succeed in obtaining more of the documents so that there can be more information and less speculation all around.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 01:57:20 PM PST

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    •  Bingo :) (1+ / 0-)
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      Releasing partial information helps no one.  It stirs the pot, creates more questions than it answers, etc.

      I really hope that the OWS movement can communicate about this document dump clearly and effectively to the media, and stay unemotional and fact-driven.  It needs to be publicized and then investigated.  But if there is too much crazy cross-talk or hypothesizing, the media won't take them seriously (again).

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      by Sarea on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 02:03:10 PM PST

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      •  I hope it encourages further (7+ / 0-)

        information gathering.

        And I agree with your point about stirring the pot. I do have to say, as a relative of an OWS organizer, that it's disconcerting. But it's also not surprising to me that anyone wanted to "kill" OWS folks. They made a conscious point to be provocative. I applaud that. They knew what they were doing. Thankfully, no one killed anyone. Still, I'd like to know who threatened that.

        I also think that the amount of information redacted is unusual. All of Mississippi? Why?

        I don't think Ms. Wolf's take on this accords with the documents I skimmed and have read now.

        I hope that further information gathering is inspired by any sense of these documents upsetting people. I believe that could happen legally through FOIA's, but it could also happen -- whether we would like to see this or not -- via something like Wikileaks  and some Anon who are, of course, quite adept at intercepting these sorts of documents and then republishing them. I would hope that the legal path is honored, naturally.

        Also, this is pretty much a classic experiment in Cloze reading. We use this with students when we teach them English. Any Linguist knows that "blank" information is filled in based on strongly, strongly subjective interpretations of it which are based in someone's pre-existing ideology and values. That's a basic neurocognitive fact of how people make meaning through language. I'm surprised no one has really brought this up yet. We will all inevitably read what we expect, or have learned, to read. Whether it's right or not. This is why I strongly oppose "fill-in-the-blank" type quiz questions for any assessment in education, ever, especially from the for-profit pseudo-groups run by ETS and the like. These are WIDELY critiqued on these very same grounds of subjective learning and neurocognition.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 02:21:55 PM PST

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        •  very perceptive comment - thanks! (1+ / 0-)
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          I can't rate people anymore because KOS has decided I'm a bad boy....for acknowledging diaries or comments like this

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          by blindcynic on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 04:45:57 PM PST

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          •  Do you know what you uprated? (0+ / 0-)

            I can't even begin to imagine that there is anything in my comment which would remotely result in anyone receiving a NR. I'm not one to make hot-headed remarks or say things that fly in the face of site rules.

            But I'm sorry to hear you've received a NR status although I don't know what you uprated. Have you tried talking to Kos about it? You might want to if you feel like it was out of line.

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            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:26:15 PM PST

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        •  I think this redaction and release was purposeful (1+ / 0-)
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          or stupid and sloppy.

          < snark >

          considering the high standard the FBI has for agents, how could this have possibly happened unless intentional.

          < /snark >

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          by KenBee on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 01:46:53 AM PST

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      •  Actually, it plays a significant role. (0+ / 0-)

        Releasing partial information that raises more questions than it answers is a very effective means of creating doubt and fear in the minds of anyone that thinks they may have been targeted.

        Call it a "chilling effect," if you will.

        Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

        by trevzb on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:54:23 AM PST

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