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  •  I am not among the "2%" who make more than $250K (2+ / 0-)
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    TiaRachel, lighttheway

    In fact, I am unemployed and can't work in my field in my new state.

    I have, however, lived in a very expensive city and had a huge mortgage payment for a small house, was a single mom with twins (one of whom was uninsurable), student debt, tuition and childcare and medical expenses for my son, high transportation costs, helped support a sick parent, paid high property and state and sales tax.

    I didn't have an extravagant lifestyle, but 50K or less in my old city wouldn't have covered the costs of a family of three or four.  

    The whole point of the original comment was to get folks to think outside their own box.  Maybe you can't, but the numbers are the numbers and a $4K plus mortgage payment for a small house in a middle class neighborhood wasn't unusual.

    It's just the facts.  Maybe that would get you a mansion wherever you lived. It didn't in my old city.  

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    by ksh01 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:54:12 AM PST

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    •  Lots of families in cities (3+ / 0-)
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      tardis10, Ice Blue, Brooke In Seattle

      live on $50K or less, with family sizes even larger than three or four.

      •  Many can't in San Francisco (0+ / 0-)

        here: plug in what you want in terms of bedrooms. I'm telling you that it's hard to live on that in SF.

        You don't have to believe me, just go to the link. Try for a safe but not fancy neighborhood.  Maybe parts of the Mission, Glen Park, Richmond, Sunset (tho it can be gloomy out there), Lower Haight. Maybe a three bedroom if you have two kids of different genders. See what you get.

        50K wouldn't cut it.

        Maybe you are saying cities like SF should be abandoned to only those who make enough to live there.  Maybe you are right, there's been a huge amount of economic cleansing already.  It's sort of sterilized parts of the city.

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        by ksh01 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 09:48:21 AM PST

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    •  That mortgage amount is likely (1+ / 0-)
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      a smaller % of net income than the rents paid in some cities by more typical earners. But then it is always more expensive to be poor than rich.

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      by tardis10 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 09:54:13 AM PST

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      •  That's an interesting point (1+ / 0-)
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        I was in the housing rights field in SF and, if I remember correctly, it was, at one point true that rent was more expensive than mortgage. After the housing crash -- for a little while at least -- rents were less expensive.

        I don't know what's happening there now.  Wouldn't be surprised if rents outpaced mortgages at this point.  

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        by ksh01 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 10:07:28 AM PST

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