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  •  But Obama holds all the cards in this negotiation (10+ / 0-)

    regardless of the vote tally.  The Repubs are in a can't win position and what Obama is doing - once again - is helping them win.  That makes sense if the opposition actually is a serious one, but it's been clear since Obam's stimulus bill legislation that they are not serious.

    As to hurting lots of people by holding out - i.e., taking a stand - on his position, Obama would do those people more good in the slightly longer and much longer term by helping improve the economy and by weakening the Repub party.  But then, as for the latter, he wouldn't have anyone to pre-capitulate to and he might actually have to do what he says he would do.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:27:15 AM PST

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    •  give him a call (0+ / 0-)

      I am sure he could use your advice.

      yes, this is sarcasm.

      mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

      by wewantthetruth on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:48:18 AM PST

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    •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

      How has Obama "pre-capitulate"[d] in the current negotiations? As I remember it, he made an initial proposal that was a bit more progressive than what he campaigned on. Do you think he should have not proposed anything until after January 1st? Having made the offer, should he have declared negotiations finished?

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