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  •  As you say, humans make mistakes. (3+ / 0-)
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    Aspe4, karmsy, Subterranean

    What if it's Mr. Obama who is wrong?

    I will support whatever deal Obama makes if he thinks it is a deal worth doing.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:32:07 AM PST

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    •  Because when you can take (3+ / 0-)
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      two roads, and one goes over a cliff, the more prudent path to take is the other road. It's about risk vs reward in an uncertain world. You don't take the world's largest economy over a cliff lightly.

    •  Thankfully--and we do need to give thanks (3+ / 0-)

      for this--you are not in the Oval Office, negotiating this deal right now. Rather, you are sitting in your cozy home, at your laptop, with a cup of coffee at your elbow, playing armchair quarterback.

      You pay the president's salary, with your tax dollars, to cut his holiday vacation short and deal with these awful people who are dealing in bad faith, who wish him the very worst. You are entrusting Obama to do a vital deal, shrewdly, with compassion.

      That's why we have representative, rather than participatory, democracy. It isn't you. Just remember that.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:03:21 AM PST

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    •  Obama is never wrong (3+ / 0-)
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      according to a certain faction at dKos.  He can roll over on just about any issue and there are those here who will defend him.  It's like they see politics as a sport and root for their team no matter how bad they play.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:12:06 AM PST

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      •  obama is never right (2+ / 0-)
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        according to a certain faction at dkos...he can accomplish something and there are those here who will attack him...It's like they see politics as a sport and root against their scapegoat no matter how well they play.

        Coming Attraction: "Tea Party II - now with more stupid!"

        by memofromturner on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:52:34 AM PST

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        •  subterranean (0+ / 0-)

          is a classic flame thrower. nothing constructive to offer to any discussion and just here to throw darts. according to him, unless you're here to shit on O, your opinion does not matter.

          mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

          by wewantthetruth on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 09:21:24 AM PST

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          •  Certainly a flame thrower of late (0+ / 0-)

            Getting betrayed by a president a few months after his historic reelection will do that to a person.  Obama campaigned against cuts to SS, now he's proposing them to Boehner.  I've never felt so burned in politics as I do now.  

            If by constructive, you mean that I do not aid you in your construction of an alternate reality that helps you avoid the truth, you nailed it.  You need a warm fuzzy place to nurse your adulation of Obama.  That's cool, I can understand.  What I do not appreciate is you dumping on ME because I point out the truth.  

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 10:02:29 AM PST

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        •  I've never seen that sentiment here (0+ / 0-)

          at dKos.  Ever.

          There are those who give him credit when deserves it, and those who root for him no matter how bad he plays.  Rah rah, go team Obama!  

          I thought he kicked ass in the second and third debates, and plainly said so here at dKos.  I also ripped him for the first debate.  People like yourself whined at me after the first debate (surprising!), but strangely they commmented after the 2nd and 3rd debates that Obama had made up for the first debate (which he planned to lose so he would win the last two - sneaky!).

          "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

          by Subterranean on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 10:05:14 AM PST

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