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  •  you mean brainwashed (0+ / 0-)

    who tells the constituents what they should care about? Sheep, too lazy to find out the facts for themselves and listen to whatever they told.

    oh, they will go to church on sunday and be all christian but here is not a lot of christian behavior coming from those on the right.

    I see the 'what would jesus do' bumper stickers and I think to myself, well right now he is bending his head and has tears in his eyes.

    are there people abusing the system? sure but I know a lot of white people that do it (I am white by the way) and I know others than complain about friends or relative that do that but would never turn them in...then they complain about those who take advantage of the system.

    and don't get me started on corporate want to talk about abusing the system.

    I have lived all over the country and my observation is there are not a lot of free thinkers on the right side of the equation........all I hear is talking points.

    mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

    by wewantthetruth on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 09:33:43 AM PST

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    •  So the people are too stupid to be trusted with (0+ / 0-)

      the vote?  We should operate a government on the basis that the vote of the people does not really reflect the will of the people, because they are too stupid to know what they are voting for?  

      That's the logical result of your comment.  

      •  great job of jumping to conclusions (0+ / 0-)

        that do not exist.

        where did I say these people are stupid so we should operate a government on the basis of the people does not reflect the will of the people becase they are too stupid??

        These people have been lied to, over years and years, the whole Southern Strategy the flames of poor white people to the point of outrage so they ignore the fact that they have been hurt financially.

        That does not make those people stupid, it makes them used.  I know lots of them...good people, but when they cannot see the forest for the trees.....

        Congress has a 12% approval rating, worst Congress in history and greater majority what changes in Congress,,,until it comes to their own individual congress know those that rail against TARP but then want their faces in the pictures when the checks get cut.

        I disagreed with your comment that constituents vote for what they point is that a great job is done telling people what they want (or don't want) and many people do not do the deep dive to find facts....for a lot of reasons. did you get I think people are stupid out of all of that.

        mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

        by wewantthetruth on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 09:49:25 AM PST

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        •  No voter can be "used" unless he/she (1+ / 0-)
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          is a sheep with no mind of his own. That's how I get "stupid" out of that.

          It is up to the candidates to tell the people what they will do if elected.  It's not like anybody living in this country did not KNOW what BOTH sides thought.  It's not like anybody in this country did not KNOW that Democrats think Republican candidates are lying (and vice-versa).  Every single voter in this country has access to the views and arguments of both sides.  To say that they voted one way because they were "lied to" and "used" assumes that they do not have the mental ability  to look at what both sides are telling them and make a intelligent decision.  

          They CHOOSE to believe economic views of people like Hayek and Friedman rather than Keynes.  They CHOOSE to hold those social views they hold.  It's not like they don't know Democratic views are out there.   People who watch Fox News day after day know that the Democrats disagree with everything they are hearing on Fox News.  People who watch Fox News know what Democrats think -- they DISAGREE with what Democrats think.

          Here's the point -- Why do they choose to keep the views they do, or choose to continue to watch Fox News, when they know there are alternatives out there, and they know Democrats believe that Fox News lies?  It must either be (1) that they've made a decision to do that, in which case they are rational people of normal intelligence who disagree with Democratic views, or (2) the are too stupid to realize that the Republicans are lying to them and the Democrats are telling the truth.  

          And the view that they are "lied to" and "used" is a bit arrogant, actually.  It's not like Democrats have access to some secret cache of information that's only available to you if you prove that you are a registered Democrat.  All voters have access to the same information.  It's kind of arrogant -- and off-putting, really -- for Democrats to saw, we have access to the same information, but we can recognize the truth when we see it, but other people can't.  

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