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  •  who said non-whites are conservative? (4+ / 0-)

    they largely support the safety net the same as you do.  In appealing to non-white voters we are not compromising our views, we're finding people that share our views and trying to get more of them to vote for us.  I really think your perspective is unrepresentative of white voters.  Democrats are in no danger of losing white liberals broadly anytime soon, regardless of you.  It's white moderates and conservatives that we have been losing.  But if we get more progressive people voting, both whites and nonwhites, it doesn't matter if we lose white moderates and conservatives.  Well, outside of West Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Kentucky, anyways.

    ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

    by James Allen on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:27 AM PST

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    •  A lot of non-whites are culturally conservative (2+ / 0-)
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      I've definitely met a lot more black homophobes than white ones. Latinos tend to be Catholic and thus anti-choice. They just vote Democratic in spite of those issues because the Republicans are so racist.

      Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

      by RamblinDave on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 06:37:18 PM PST

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      •  not really true (0+ / 0-)

        most non-whites are economically on the left (heck, many recent immigrants come from countries where they could openly be communists or socialists), and that's the primary reason they are Democrats.  Sure, they have an additional reason to vote against Republicans-that Republicans support racialist policies in many instances, and some even use racialist or racist language, but that's not necessarily a reason to be a Democrat as opposed to just not be a Republican.
        I have personally met many anti-abortion African Americans, but I mean I also know bisexual and openly gay black men, and recent polling has shown that nationally Hispanics are at least as supportive of marriage equality as non-Hispanic whites.  And in my county the number of blacks who are African immigrants outnumbers the number of blacks who are African Americans, and Hispanics and Latinos are diverse groups as well, with different concerns and backgrounds.  These are complex groups.

        ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

        by James Allen on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:58:32 AM PST

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        •  Interesting, but... (0+ / 0-)

          ...the critic in me must point out that nothing in your rebuttal contradicts anything I said. I never said anything about where nonwhite voters stand economically, or about African Americans and abortion, or Hispanics and gay marriage, or about how many black voters are immigrants vs. African Americans.

          And yes, these are complex groups. But that was my point to begin with. Some of us on the left tend to think minority voters are with us on all issues, and they aren't.

          Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

          by RamblinDave on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:12:56 PM PST

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          •  you said that they were Democrats because (0+ / 0-)

            Republicans are racist, and are Democrats despite their beliefs, I tried giving a better explanation because that's not really the case.

            ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

            by James Allen on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:35:22 AM PST

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            •  That's an oversimplification at best (0+ / 0-)

              I said they were not always with us on all issues. Most people, no matter their ethnicity, probably have a somewhat complex calculus as to whom they vote for and why, even if they're not fully aware of it. For socially conservative minorities, the Republicans' racism probably outweighs their disagreements with the Democrats most of the time. But for many of them, those disagreements are real and significant. That, however, is not really the same as saying "they're Democrats because Republicans are racist".

              Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

              by RamblinDave on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:13:00 AM PST

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