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  •  Cut it out with the hippy crap! (0+ / 0-)

    Whole/raw milk is one of the bast things you can put in your body! My uncle, who was a farmer for most of his life and grew up drinking raw milk has perfect teeth because of it.  It's not inhumane to milk a cow, that is hippy dippy crap I'd expect from the Green Party, there is a reason the that Nader didn't run on their ticket the last few times and it was because of crap like that. A government that helps keep dairy prices from going to high is the type of government that we Liberals should be fighting for! So please, don't make dairy prices going up a plus for going over the cliff! Some of us here like to eat more than nuts and berries you know.

    •  You are wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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      We're all hippy dippies who eat only nuts and berries, and secretly lust for the destruction of the American dairy industry.  Where did you think you were - Redstate?

      Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead. --Not Benjamin Franklin

      by Boundegar on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:28:23 PM PST

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    •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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      In the first place, I said "not that humane to mama cows", and I was not referring to milking itself, but the forcible repetition of pregnancies and then the separation from the newborn calf shortly after birth.  Of course, the female calves are shortly after enlisted in the dairy cow system, and the male calves are then frequently placed in tiny pens to be turned into veal, so I should have just said, "not humane."  

      In the second place, I hope you look further into this issue.  I used to think similarly as you, until I read up on our food production system.

      In the third place, I think that liberals should fight for humanity and the environment.  Those are more important values to me than cheap cow milk.  If that makes me a hippy, so be it.

      •  There is no Pacifier for Nature. (0+ / 0-)

        "The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so".-Richard Dawkins
        You may not like it, but that's the way it is and always will be.

        •  Duh? (2+ / 0-)
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          No one's talking about "Nature."  We're talking about what American government policy pays farmers to produce food for consumption and export.  There is nothing natural about modern dairy and veal farming.  It's an artificial system, put in place for a variety of reasons, encouraged by thousands of years of animal husbandry.  That's not a knock against dairy farming in particular - our entire food production system has been an artificial construct ever since man thankfully left the hunter/gatherer stage long, long ago.  The point is that sputtering about the brutality of nature will get you nowhere.  

          What this comes down to is not what "Nature" does in the abstract.  It comes down to what are you personally responsible for.

        •  When Richard Dawkins gets eaten by a bear (2+ / 0-)
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          I'll reconsider his statement.

          Meanwhile, if you are so keen on hi reasoning, might I suggest you submit yourself to the living condition of baby calfs bred for white veal?

          You should enjoy the confinement and anemia up until you get bopped on the head with a projectile which you should find preferable to fending for yourself in the wild.

          What about my Daughter's future?

          by koNko on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 01:03:50 PM PST

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        •  BTW (0+ / 0-)

          Just in case you need some snappy comment titles may I suggest:

          1. There is no Pacifier for Nature.
          2. There is no Pacifier for Nature.
          3. Mitch McConnell's theme song
          4. Mitch McConnell's theme song

          Cheers.

          What about my Daughter's future?

          by koNko on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 01:08:29 PM PST

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