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  •  that's a lie (1+ / 0-)
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    because a "military grade" assault rifle by definition is illegal for a civilian to own, because more than one bullet is fired each time you pull the trigger.

    •  I don't speak for the whole gun rights movement (0+ / 0-)

      but "assault rifle" or "m-16" or "ar-15" or "military style weapon" would all be close enough and I wouldn't quibble.

      but "military grade assault weapon" has specific, misleading connotations.

    •  Actually, no (2+ / 0-)

      In fact, there are several weapons that per calliber and per-use are also classified as assault weapons or illegal to export under the 1934 National Firearms Act.

      However, in this case, because several of the semi-automatic weapons are easily altered with cheap-to-buy kits (available over the internet easily), many of them are sold in one format with a clear knowledge that they can be made into fully automatic or, in some cases burst automatic (a non-fully automatic but one that operates in 4/6 shots per trigger pull).  

      Because these kits are so widely available, and the weapon manufacturers have made no feasible change to prevent their use in the last decade or so, they are basically complicit in making such kits a viable post option for the end user.

      Simple functional or structural changes could be made at any point that would stop or prevent many kits from being used, and that is a known factor, but yet the manufactures have made no effort to do so.

      Just as it goes.

      Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

      by Chris Reeves on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 11:59:21 PM PST

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      •  this is a popular misconception (1+ / 0-)
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        These parts do exist (as replacement parts for the existing, legal, $30,000 machine guns), but their installation requires some very illegal machining. Anybody who could do this machining could make a machine gun from scratch if they really wanted to.

        •  Foolish argument (0+ / 0-)

          "It requires illegal machining".  

          Of course, any alteration to a weapon that makes it illegal requires "illegal machining".

          That's not the point, you do realize you're pointing out that the parts and components to make up such a conversion kit, parts aimed at the M-16 (same family as the AR-15) are sold frequently in common conversion kits complete with easy to follow instructions:

          http://www.scribd.com/...

          "Anyone who can do this can build their own machine gun" is a rubbish argument.

          People with basic ability to follow a manual with pre-built parts and basic mechanical skill can follow that.   Building your own weapon is a whole different level, as significantly more precision would be required and you would need to factor your own ammo, sites, etc.   No, the assertion that those anyone who can convert a weapon is someone who can build their own is very, very wrong.

          Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

          by Chris Reeves on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:49:45 AM PST

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          •  that manual (0+ / 0-)

            Assumes you have a full auto sear, drop in sear or lightning link already which is registered like a machine gun. Aka nfa paperwork, $30,000 entry fee.

            I reiterate that modern semiautomatic guns cannot be really converted to machine guns because the ATF does not allow them to be sold.

            •  Foolish (0+ / 0-)

              Again, as I've pointed out in numerous other blogs as others have, you can buy the entire kit, sear and all impliments available at numerous websites and gunshows, cash takes it home.

              You're implying that people grab the manual and have to go to the manufacturer and tell them "i'm going to do this".  

              Crime log history proves you remarkably wrong on this point.  

              Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

              by Chris Reeves on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 05:16:07 PM PST

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              •  no you can't (0+ / 0-)

                full auto sears are NFA controlled.

                can you find two specific crimes ever committed with illegally modified guns and not guns that are smuggled in?

                According to the ATF, if a gun can be converted to a machine gun with less effort than "8 hours by a skilled machinist" it is a machine gun and therefore illegal.

                Do people do illegal things? Yes. Can you convert an AR-15 to automatic by drilling a hole and dropping a part from a catalog into it. No.

    •  It's not a lie. It's a technically inaccurate (2+ / 0-)

      statement.

      There's a LOT of room between those two things.

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:06:45 AM PST

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