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  •  You think Iran is uneducated and ... (6+ / 0-)

    ...unsophisticated? How many Iranians do you know?

    I made no claim that Iran is not intent on developing nuclear weapons or headed down that path. However, your claim that there are only two choices—Iran is either head-faking or actually building a bomb—could be right or could be dismissing a third choice, that it is doing just as it says.

    As for you claim that the answer must be "B" because the U.S. (and perhaps Israel) are bollixing the supposed weapons program has no basis in fact. The uranium-enriching centrifuges have presumably been screwed up by cyber-attacks on two or more occasions. And some of Iran's nuclear scientists have been assassinated or kidnapped. But what evidence is there that the centrifuges or scientists were working on weapons rather than nuclear power systems? There are hints and they are discomfiting. But proof? Not even close.

    "Gotta crack some eggs to make an omelet?" In the context of harming children, that's a foul little cliché.

    Four of your examples of broken nations refer to those with which the United States had been in wars it did not start and hundreds of thousands of fatalities and millions of casualties had been incurred. In the fifth, the breaking of France was accomplished in short order by the Blitzkrieg at the behest of one of history's worst monsters.

    Not the greatest analogies, to say the least. Where exactly is the war that Iran has started? What are the total casualties?

    Pfffft, indeed.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:43:04 PM PST

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    •  Third choice: naval power plants... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...the small size of reactors, especially submarines, requires close-to-bomb-grade enrichment. These could give our navy trouble in the Persian Gulf.

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:45:26 AM PST

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    •  Iran fights proxy wars (0+ / 0-)

      most notably in Lebanon, against progressive forces in that country and against Israel. Its client Hezbollah has basically destroyed the only outpost of progressive values in the Arab world, and has rained terror (almost literally) on Israel despite the fact that the UN has stated clearly that Israel holds no part of Lebanon any more, having withdrawn completely over a decade ago.

      Sorry, but the mullahs have blood on their hands, including one entire country.

    •  A lot (0+ / 0-)

      I work with some on a daily basis. They are fine. Their home nation is not.

      Iran IS UNSOPHISTICATED AND UNEDUCATED. The fact that they are a sophisticated nation is a myth at best, willfull ignorance most likely.

      It it is not an option to say they are doing as they just as they say they are.

      Arguing this is like standing in the parking lot 5 days latter yelling something about about there being 3 seconds left on the clock.

      Its not a claim its a bet. Serious people do serious things. Bush was a fucking idiot with little reason to do anything other than stupidity. The people involved here are a bit different than the know nothings that followed orders of blind action.

      The analogies are just fine. Pick your own time period if you would like. Those wars are just the most recent and fresh in peoples minds. Or did you live during the siege of Carthage?

      Iran is funding terrorism and has already killed many American citizens. We are at war.

      There are three options.
      A) We let Iran do what they want they get nukes. The terrorists will gets nukes and we will have nuclear terrorism by their own lack of organization or by direct intention.

      B) We break Iran via sanctions.

      c) We are forced to burn Iran to the ground to prevent them from getting nukes. Hundreds of thousands die if not millions.

      Lets hope for B)

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