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  •  Well she's talking about McCarthy-like tactics (6+ / 0-)

    used by some people here to shut other people up.
    i.e. Have you ever voted Green, did you vote Nader, are you a Dem, do you know that this site is just for electing Dems, are you or will you or did you vote for (insert name here), And if you didn't, won't or can't, HAMSHER!! FDL!!  <--------redstate is that way.
    And so on.
    If you haven't seen any of that then you aren't hanging out on the same site I am.

    And no, that sure isn't the same as loyalty oaths forced on people by GovCOs. Not the same as taking a voluntary oath either. But it is used to shun and discredit some fine people and ideas because they won't take that voluntary oath others have taken to trust and have faith in politicians, which is a ridiculous and dangerous way to involve yourself politically and that is where there are similarities between Loyalty Oaths and the tactics used by some people on Daily Kos.

    It's ugly to me.

    •  Kos has a mission statement, it is to elect Ds, mo (1+ / 0-)
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      re and better, but Ds.  If you don't support that, they are many other places without such a mission.

      Now, if you present your views in a way that appears to undermine that mission - for example, as in 'I'm not voting for D/D-candidate in GE' diaries and comments - you should not be surprised if you are then invited to not let the door hit your rear, especially during election season.  The practical effect is to undermine the stated mission of the site, and presumably the primary goal of most folks who come here.  And when emotions are high and all energy is directed at one front, its hardly surprising that such acts are seen as counter-productive at best and a stab-in-the-back at worst.  Add to that the nature of this medium...

      And you also shouldn't be surprised if you get treated like a troll.  Ratfucking is what Thugs do, and have done since Nixon at least.  They raised it to an art.  Heck, they coined the fraking word.  Since there's little way to tell who is and isn't one in fact, its not surprising when non-'big names' get treated as such. (Heck, that's part of what ratfucking seeks to happen.)

      But, yes it would be nice if we could be more civil about things.  Say like sports fans who buri down parts of their cities when they win. :)

      •  I think it is VERY easy (2+ / 0-)
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        to tell who is looking to make a stink, and who is looking for support for their good for people ideas or a piece of good for people policy that they're pushing for.

        The deal now though is that if an idea or a policy someone would like to discuss with people on Daily Kos has any sort of negative slant on the Obama Administration, the gates open and the questioning begins.

        But I understand that not everyone can see who's bullshitting or not, so I think it would just be a plain good idea not to encourage that sort of challenging questioning at all. I've spoken to a few people that do it trying to get through, but without success.

        It is ugly and when it involves someone that doesn't deserve to be treated that way it gets REALLY ugly.
        I want pretty Dems with pretty policy for all us pretty people.

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