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  •  Sorry, but having thousands of people suffer (20+ / 0-)

    just to "school" Christie?

    Come on.

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 06:41:15 AM PST

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    •  Well a lot of folks here wanted to unemployment (3+ / 0-)
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      benefits to end for millions just because people making $250K a year didn't get a tax increase.

      •  That's a lie, you know (4+ / 0-)
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        Nobody here wanted unemployment benefits to end, that's a flat-out lie.  There would have been a lot of temporary dislocations going over the fiscal cliff, and everybody here wanted poorer and middle-class folks made whole in the new Congress.

        Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

        by Dallasdoc on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:45:49 AM PST

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        •  The benefits would have ended (0+ / 0-)

          and you know it. They could have eventually been reinstated retroactively, but try living without a job or unemployment benefits even for two weeks.

          •  That's not what you said (3+ / 0-)
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            Well a lot of folks here wanted to unemployment benefits to end for millions....
            That's a completely different concept than a temporary interruption.  Nobody wants unemployed people to go without their checks, but if Democrats roll over and give Republicans whatever they want in response to a threat to hold unemployment back, we'll never win anything from them.

            So don't mischaracterize that position, as you did.  It doesn't do your credibility any good.

            Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

            by Dallasdoc on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:49:43 AM PST

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            •  You really don't get it, do you (0+ / 0-)
              That's a completely different concept than a temporary interruption.
              I have sometimes wondered why so many low income voters vote Republican. I think I'm figuring it out. This attitude is every bit as insensitive and uncompassionate to suffering. Why should the unemployed vote D?
          •  Some folks been doing that for several months-- (0+ / 0-)

            even years now.

          •  The Republicans have caved on UI benefits (0+ / 0-)

            7 times.

            It's not a hostage they're willing to shoot.  They keep proving it.

            "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

            by JesseCW on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:31:57 PM PST

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      •  First of all, I consider that wrong too. (0+ / 0-)

        Though I think had that scenario played out, the pain would have been very short, since the GOP would have caved. Still, folks would have suffered. Not something to be taken lightly at all.

        And again.....just to school Christie? If people are gong to suffer, there should be a hell of a better reason than this.

        Degree matters. If you don't think so, ask the guy who's had had a mouse step on his foot....and the guy who's had an elephant step on his foot.

        Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

        by Sirenus on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 06:24:17 PM PST

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    •  How many MILLIONS have suffered (3+ / 0-)
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      by the Republicans "schooling" Democrats.

      This thanks to the Bush Recession and a Democratic Administration bent on negotiating with itself to further Republican goals (concentration of wealth and power).

      With a proper stimulus package at the outset (2009), unemployment would probably be around 5-6% now instead of almost 9% for the past four years.  

      Even this year, gains in the Senate were not by brilliant Democratic campaigning, but almost exclusively made by the Republican candidates ripped off their masks of civility and exposing the Republican Monster, finally schooling the electorate as to what Republicans really believe in.

      Understand that this tragedy is concrete and specific with pictures, the other is less visible but no less deadly. You have my sympathy for the suffering, I have family there.  But this selfish inhumanity needs to be put to use  to further unmask the inner Republican Monster.

      ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

      by NevDem on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:21:36 AM PST

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    •  Not the point at all (2+ / 0-)
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      Democrats are FOR the bill. The Senate passed the bill. Dems in the House are FOR the bill.  We've done what we need to do for the people who need help.

      Republicans killed this in the House. The governor of NJ is a Republican. It is not Democrats responsibility to scold the Republicans on Christie's behalf. If he wants the aid for his state, let him do it.

      Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

      by absdoggy on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:11:19 AM PST

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      •  The Republican party has repeatedly (1+ / 0-)
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        attempted suicide over the past two years by being led to the noose by the teaparty caucus in the House.  And each time they have been saved by the few working brain cells left in the GOP - and the Democrats.  The House Democrats are willing to pull Republicans back from the gallows once again by voting in favor of this relief bill, but I'll be damned if Boehner isn't refusing, again, to engage with the House Democrats to get it done.

        Not only has Boehner allowed himself to be dragged to the noose by the nutjobs in his party, he is in the process of positioning the entire party's head in the rope and waiting while the teapartiers have their hands on the trap door lever and the Democrats get fed up and just walk away.

        It's inevitable that soon one of these repeated GOP suicide attempts is going to succeed.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:20:20 AM PST

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