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  •  granted, there's no reason (2+ / 0-)
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    CaptUnderpants, homo neurotic

    to believe they will. The lines in the sand are only erased on one side of the political spectrum.

    "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

    by Scott Wooledge on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:34:53 AM PST

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    •  If Obama tries to use the 14th Amendment (1+ / 0-)
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      Scandalous One

      His presidency will be over, and he knows it.  That is why he/they took it off the table.  They are trying to kill the idea in advance so that the Left stops clamoring for it.

      The GOP would like nothing better than for Obama to create a constitutional crisis (re:  Scandal) early in his second term.  However you read the Amendment, objectively, there is enough legal theory saying that the 14th Amendment does not apply here to give them cover to say the President is directly violating his oath of office to defend the Constitution.

      Armed with that claim, I am 99% sure they would impeach him in the House.  Doubt me?  Look how hard it was to get the GOP House to accept a clear victory in the fiscal cliff deal.  The Tea Party was fully prepared to drive the car right off the bridge when they didn't get 100% of what they wanted.  A much saner House impeached Bill Clinton over a lie under oath.  And, if Obama were impeached, even if acquitted in the Senate, his presidency would, for all intents and purposes, be over.  Like Clinton, he'd still serve out his term, but he'd become the lamest of  ducks instantly.  

      Bill Clinton was a happy warrior of sorts.  He could live with impeachment.  Obama is the great compromiser.  He is also the great bi-partisan.    For Obama, it would be his worst personal nightmare.  And, imagine the spectacle of the nation impeaching the first black president?

      Obama's "line in the sand" about not negotiating on the debt ceiling is a joke,...unless he doesn't plan to negotiate because he is already going to give away the store.  

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