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  •  Got a cite for this? (0+ / 0-)
    Even the NRA agrees that a person with mental illness should not be able to purchase a gun.
    If this is now the NRA position I'd love to see a link, because that would be real news. That does not remotely represent the position long taken by NRA's lobbying arm -- for better or worse. They may pay lip service to expanding mental health services, and great if they do, but I'd bet a fair sum you won't see them supporting a legislative stance on possession anything like this.

    Perhaps some RKBAers can show up and explain their positions or the NRA's, but as I understand it, the lobbyists fought hard to make sure that only a tiny, tiny minority of those with mental illness would be restricted (adjudicated mentally incompetent or "defective" AND dangerous, IIRC, or unable to handle their affairs), and to make sure even those people faced the lowest possible bar to regaining their gun possession rights after losing them. See, e.g.:

    NRA on NICS



    There may be decent arguments for mass gun registration, but this isn't one of them -- it would be cheaper, more efficient, and less invasive to order searches of the homes of those few who fit the criteria that the NRA will allow to pass to restrict ownership on mental illness grounds.

    •  I have a cite (1+ / 0-)
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      Wayne LaPierre who stated in his latest speech that we should have a NAtional Database of folk with mental illness, to prevent them from owning guns.

      Wayne is quite a guy for expanding government power.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 08:35:58 PM PST

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      •  Even if I take your recollection as a cite, (0+ / 0-)

        would you like to make a wager about what he/they will actually support? Really, I'm sure you know better, twigg. They pushed through an earmark of funds to aid in the restoration of possession rights to the mentally ill. Let's see their draft legislation & maybe I'll owe you the beverage of your choice. I'm pretty comfortable I won't.

        •  You asked for their position (0+ / 0-)

          all I did was let you know what he said.

          What they DO is a matter of complete indifference to me. They are not honest, I see no reason to even listen to them.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          by twigg on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 09:01:24 PM PST

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          •  So, the premise of the diary is irrelevant. (0+ / 0-)

            OK, then.

            I asked for a cite to support teacherken's claim. I've looked for their position, and all I've turned up so far is what they've supported and what they've crowed about getting changed & passed. I'll take that as my evidence unless you've got a link to the speech you're referring to & it says otherwise. If you're suggesting that LaPierre's reference to a person

            so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them

            really means a "person with mental illness" as used in the diary, there's not much room for discussion, because we're operating from different knowledge bases about the number and nature of those with mental illness. I had hoped there was a more sensible response to my question to the diarist, or that he could be bothered to engage as you have. Oh, well.

            •  Oh really! (0+ / 0-)

              The speech was all over the media two weeks ago.

              I'm done with this futile reasoning.

              I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
              but I fear we will remain Democrats.

              by twigg on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 09:18:23 PM PST

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              •  Well, we don't seem to agree on the meaning of (0+ / 0-)

                "cite" or "reasoning" but we're in sync on "futile" for sure!

                So, for anyone else who drops by, here's the link:

                LaPierre transcript

                People can judge for themselves the connection between that and the statements in the diary and comments about the NRA's position. Cheers.

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