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  •  thats a bit much, really (2+ / 0-)
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    Hillary was supposed to win in 2008, wasn't she? She didn't ... she was bested by someone who was an unknown community organizer when she was FLOTUS, someone who was an obscure state legislator when he won her U.S. Senate seat.
    i like how you're acting like obama was some unknown hayseed state legislator when in fact, from the moment he delivered his keynote a the convention in '04, he became basically an international political rock star, and went on to run the most sophisticated and effective campaign in presidential history. its not like hillary lost to john hunstman or something.
    •  no it is not a bit much (0+ / 0-)

      it is the truth.  that is exactly what happened

      It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book"-Nietzsche

      by the Pollitikat on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:04:39 AM PST

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      •  yes, she lost (0+ / 0-)

        to obama. but so try to spin it as though she lost to some unknown is absurd. obama was probably the most famous man in the world at the time of the '08 campaign, and was an absolute juggernaut on the campaign trail. not to mention the fact that within weeks of the outset of the primary campaign season, bidens campaign was over, and he was facing the same exact field as hilary.

        •  was he more famous than Hillary? (0+ / 0-)

          and I doubt he was the most famous man in the world.  he was famous in the sense that he was doing the actual foot work in his campaign.  How long had Hillary been on the scene before Obama came along.  Everyone knew she wanted to be president some day.  She had a twelve year head start and she still lost.

          It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book"-Nietzsche

          by the Pollitikat on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:58:42 AM PST

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        •  I doubt he was the most famous man in (0+ / 0-)

          the world when he beat her in Iowa

          It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book"-Nietzsche

          by the Pollitikat on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 10:07:43 AM PST

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          •  I think the point is... (0+ / 0-)

            ...that nobody who had been paying attention since the 2004 convention should have been surprised that Obama was a strong contender in the 2008 primary.  To suggest that he just came out of nowhere and sort of stumbled his way into the nomination is, I think, revisionism. He was a strong candidate, and he put together an incredibly effective campaign.

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