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  •  How do we game this out? We shouldn't negotiate (0+ / 0-)

    over the debt ceiling at all. But we have weak Democrats, like Steny Hoyer, who are afraid to vote for a clean hike because the vote will be used against them in the next election. Maybe, not likely, the WH takes some action on their own so Dems don't have to vote on the debt ceiling. Regardless, I don't want Democrats voting for any bill that cuts SS, Medicare, or Medicaid benefits in any way...to hell with what the President or VP may eventually negotiate. So, absent the WH doing something on its own what are we left with? Some straight bull!

    Anyway, thanks. It's been great going back re-reading the foolishness of 2011. :-(

    •  I say enough of this love affair (2+ / 0-)
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      Cambridgemac, slinkerwink

      that centrist Dems like Hoyer & Obama have been having with centrist voters over fiscal issues, since they represent relatively few true swing votes as most of them vote GOP no matter what, and passing conservative bills to cater to them not only doesn't work and isn't necessary politically, but results in awful policies and loses them much more support on the left than they gain in the center, 2010 being a classic and tragic example.

      Triangulation has been a colossal failure and we need to abandon it. To hell with those illusory centrist voters. They're not worth the bother. Dems win or lose depending on how progressive they are.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:48:15 AM PST

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