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  •  Obama is not going to nominate someone he'd (3+ / 0-)
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    have to terminate in 3 months because they were riding roughshod over US law. DADT repeal is the law and much like members of the military who opposed it are now doing, Hagel will comply with the law and do his utmost to make sure it's successful.

    This second-guessing the president's ability to judge who is best suited to carry out his wishes at DOD is absurd. WOuld I have been happier with Andrew Bacevich? Sure - but do I think Obama is making a mistake with this pick? No.

    "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

    by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:32:17 PM PST

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    •  to some of us (5+ / 0-)

      bigotry matters. a lot.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:37:06 PM PST

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      •  The DOD secretary has a lot of responsibilities (2+ / 0-)
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        not just the carrying out of the repeal of DADT, something Hagel has already pledged to do to the utmost of his ability. The parochialism of viewing his entire nomination through this single issue, ignoring the vast positive impact his nomination could have on so many other issues which could embroil our country in war and destroy our economy, is saddening.

        "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

        by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:40:30 PM PST

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        •  he is a bigot (5+ / 0-)

          do you get that? and hard right on most issues. 0% from human rights campaign. 0% from naral. 17% from lcv. no one with those sorts of numbers should be anywhere near a democrat's cabinet.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:42:17 PM PST

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          •  The strange marriage of GLBT advocates and neocons (5+ / 0-)
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            on this issue is something I'd never thought I'd see. Conservatives like Jennifer Rubin are doing everything they can to torpedo this nomination and they're being helped by the president's titular allies like you.

            Politics DOES make strange bedfellows.

            "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

            by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:46:37 PM PST

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            •  yeah (1+ / 0-)
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              the aipac crowd hates him, the anti-israel crowd loves him- single issue i/p people are just flip sides of the same coin.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:10:52 PM PST

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              •  Well I'm pro-Israel and I'm fine with him (2+ / 0-)
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                And I'm gay too - which tends to blow your theory to shit now doesn't it?

                "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

                by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:23:22 PM PST

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              •  Why does opposition to neoconservatism... (3+ / 0-)
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                ...reduce to "anti-israel" "single issue i/p" for you?

                I think why some folks are riding you hard on 'sanctimony' is that you refuse to concede that there are valid progressive reasons to support Hagel – despite some misgivings about his social conservatism – due to his embrace of diplomatic engagement, his appetite for cutting defense spending, and his extremely close friendships with administration principals like Biden and Kerry.

                You're coming awfully close to calling other folks bigots (or indifferent to bigotry) because you're incapable of seeing another side. You're basically citing organizational scorecards, calling names, and complaining about a lack of adherence to party.

                And doing it all on a blog started by a former Republican.

                People evolve, and in some contexts, some things matter more than others.

                'Fie upon the Congress' - Sen Bob Byrd

                by Maxwell on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:43:20 PM PST

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          •  At some point when I was much younger, I (0+ / 0-)

            wrestled with the idea of whether (and how) one should be tolerant of bigots.  Not an easy reach but necessary, imo, because if you can't be tolerant of a bigot, what does that make you?

            We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

            by Observerinvancouver on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:05:18 PM PST

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            •  i am a bigot against bigots (1+ / 0-)
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              i admit it.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:11:18 PM PST

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            •  intolerant of bigotry (0+ / 0-)

              You would be a bigot if you are opposed to whole groups of people because of who they are.

              Opposing bigotry is about opposing people because of what they do and how they act (namely in ways that hurt people)

              I'm not a bigot for being intolerant of rapists and human traffickers either.

              Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

              by Mindful Nature on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:20:52 PM PST

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      •  What you're implying is that... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...those who forgive bigotry are not as pure as those who do not.

        I'm not sure if you're gay or not, but Hagel has a number of prominent gay advocates who not only testify to his tolerance, but forgive him past words and votes.

        I understand that you do not include those among the pure who believe "bigotry matters". But frankly that's your limitation, not a proof of your virtue or tolerance.

        Personally, I'm willing to trade off his social conservativism for the strong possibility that he will kill many fewer people in the course of his job. That he will, indeed, kill many fewer people than many of the alternatives with a symbolic "D" by their names.

        If confirmed, I believe Hagel is one of the few to hold the job who will actually earn its reformed title of Secretary of Defense, instead of the past (and often more appropriate) Secretary of War.

        'Fie upon the Congress' - Sen Bob Byrd

        by Maxwell on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:19:21 PM PST

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    •  Why shouldn't we second-guess his pick? (1+ / 0-)

      The very fact that such picks have to go through confirmation hearings implies that it is not just his choice alone to make. The President enjoys wide latitude there, and ultimately, with most Cabinet post nominees, the Senate defers to that choice. But it does at least have to go before the Senate, and it's appropriate in that context to address our issues with the nominee -- in other words, to second-guess the President's pick.

      So if we're going to defend the Hagel pick on its merits, that's one thing. But if we're simply asserting that President Obama knows best on this issue... then precisely what are the confirmation hearings for, anyway?

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:41:17 PM PST

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