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  •  He already said he can and would (2+ / 0-)
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    How many times do you have to be told? My guess is no answer will be good enough for you.

    Is a "noted homophobe" sorta like being "an aggressive gay?" Do you know what cognitive dissonance is BTW?

    "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

    by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:07:32 PM PST

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    •  Um (12+ / 0-)

      A guy who says that someone is too aggressively gay to represent American values (which is what he said) is a homophobe.

      A guy who says someone's too feminist to represent out values is sexist.

      I'm not seeing why there is confusing.

      But if you want to defend Chuck Hagel (R-0% rating with the HRC) as not actually homophobic please go ahead.

      I guess that makes me TorqueMaoStalinPolPot.

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      by Scottie Thomaston on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:44:41 PM PST

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      •  No, you don't know what cognitive dissonance is (0+ / 0-)

        Because your comments reek of it.

        Do you have a comment generator into which you insert buzz words like "feminist" or "homophobe" which then gives you back hyperbolic statements which are totally void of substance but long on emotional appeal?

        "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

        by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:53:16 PM PST

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        •  This looks like English. (11+ / 0-)

          But doesn't make sense.

          Weird.

          There is a person who has never ever voted for a pro-gay policy in his life and who has a 0% rating with gay groups and a history of saying that someone who is gay cannot represent American values.

          That's all I'm saying.

          I don't know what you're on about at all. Like honestly.

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          by Scottie Thomaston on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:56:05 PM PST

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          •  I guess I'm just not gay enough Scottie (3+ / 0-)
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            That must be it. Or perhaps I'm looking at the bigger picture, like US policy vis-a-vis Iran and changing the strategic focus of the military from large scale conflict to smaller but just as lethal threats.

            The SecDef doesn't make policy, he carries it out and he takes a pledge to do so. I'm quite confident Obama wouldn't have nominated him had he had the slightest doubt about Hagel's ability to implement DADT repeal. As for marriage equality - the battle is in the Supreme Court and Congress, not at DOD.

            People can change. And there are bigger issues here that you're losing sight of. Be careful who you lay down with in this battle - you just may end up with fleas.

            "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

            by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:05:44 PM PST

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      •  15 yrs ago (0+ / 0-)

        attitudes toward Gay people in our society are somewhat unique in that in these past two decades they have changed very significantly

        you would find...I am sure of it...that many people could have felt or said statements such as what he said and no longer feel that way now. It seems in fact more likely than not.

    •  maybe there is a small difference (4+ / 0-)

      between whatever hagel is saying to the press or wherever right now,

      and it becoming part of the senate record.  maybe?

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      by jlms qkw on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:41:17 PM PST

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      •  Oh the Senate record!! (0+ / 0-)

        Heaven knows that has kept SO many people, from within and outside the Senate, from lying in the past!

        "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

        by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 08:12:31 PM PST

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    •  Isn't his record the point here? (2+ / 0-)

      I mean, sure, the guy now says he regrets his earlier statements, but those statements hardly stand alone.  Hagel has a very long record of opposition to LGBT rights.  His Senate voting record on the issue is terrible.

      So rather than simply take his word for it, one might want him to demonstrate that his views have, in fact, changed.  Has he done anything in the last several years to show that he's somehow become less opposed to LGBT rights?

      I personally don't see why we have to have a Republican as Secretary of Defense.  And I certainly don't see why we should have one as flawed as Hagel seems to be.  It's not as if there's no one else who could handle the job.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 01:45:53 AM PST

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