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  •  the common factor is RW radio - that's it - and (7+ / 0-)

    limbaugh and hannity and the other blowhards are their gods, and they launder material supplied by others- the heritage foundation is at the top.

    they live in an alternate reality that wouldn't exist if the left would recognize and acknowledge the problem instead of ignoring it.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 11:26:02 PM PST

    •  The alternate reality is a product of the (5+ / 0-)

      superficial optics of the instinct-driven. They see, but they do not understand what they see.
      I suspect that for some it's a matter of having a tactile deficit. The sense of touch is not responsive to hard reality. So, there's no material validation of perception. What things look like is all they have to go by. They speak of "feeling," but they are referring to an internal sensation responding to their hormones -- either pleasure or pain, agitation or indolence. Were it not for their gift for gab enabling them to parrot the speech they see or hear, they'd have to be classified as insensitive and insensate. They are "out of touch" and they "do not connect." It's a tactile deficit.
      On some level they must recognize themselves as disabled and that may well account for the jealousy they manifest towards the contemporary recipients of "specialized education" and care.
      "Why should they get what I didn't have" is a common plaint.

      Our mistake is in thinking deprivation makes for generous people. People do unto others as was done to them. That's how abuse is transmitted. What we've got is legislative bodies full of abused and abusive people.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 02:02:03 AM PST

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      •  Your description reminds me of the few (1+ / 0-)
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        fundamentalist Christian households I've visited.

        I hope someday our laws will forbid frightening children into accepting a mental virus (religion) with myths of burning for all eternity. The kids can certainly choose for themselves when they reach the age of majority.

        But that would require bringing government power (Child Protective services, law enforcement) to bear and that last bit bothers me a lot.

        Reaganomics noun pl: belief that unregulated capitalism can produce unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources and we the people can increase revenue by decreasing revenue.

        by FrY10cK on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:13:06 AM PST

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        •  There's A Reason For This, Why It Reminds You (2+ / 0-)
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          Of those abusive households. People bring their individual experiences of familial abuse at the macro level and then project and act them out as group, psycho-social dynamics at the macro level.

          This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

          by Beetwasher on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 06:37:50 AM PST

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        •  Well, if children are a burden (which they are) (3+ / 0-)
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          and there is no communal help, then it makes sense for parents to exact some gratification for themselves in the form of coerced psychological subservience.
          In more primitive societies, parents could count on the labor of their off-spring to compensate them for their investment of labor and time in their rearing and development. Of course, when average life expectancy was 35, the compensatory work period was fairly short. Parents died before they were much of a burden.
          Why is it that "not being a burden" is such a common concern? Is it because we are not in the habit of recognizing that our own rearing has created an obligation which needs to be repaid, either to the next generation or the last?

          Yes, children are entitled to be nurtured. Nevertheless, that entitlement or those rights come with an obligation to give back. Of course, if a person doesn't have a sense of time as a linear progression, giving back is probably impossible to understand, especially if there is no memory of having got.

          We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 10:43:42 AM PST

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      •  The Birchers do not want people (3+ / 0-)
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        to "react emotionally" to the Sandy Hook school slaughter.

        Actually, they do not want people to acquire and analyze information from the real world, period.

        Paranoid fantasies and slogans should suffice.

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

        by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:34:44 AM PST

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      •  It's Repeating The Cycle Of Abuse (4+ / 0-)
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        That was experienced individually, on a micro level, and projecting it into the group psychosocial dyanamic at the macro level.

        This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

        by Beetwasher on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 06:35:40 AM PST

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      •  "abused and abusive people" (2+ / 0-)
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        Exactly.  Look at Karl Rove and Grover Norquist's family upbringing as an example

      •  i think it has to do with a lack of sex education (1+ / 0-)
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        i think you're describing a subset but i'm convinced it has to do with getting too much sex energy into the side of the brain for logic and numbers where it is satisfied in terms of certitude  (quick easy answers, absolutes)  and greed ( more, bigger, faster).

        sex energy is supposed to go to the right emotional, creative, orgasmic side but it gets diverted to the left side because we learn sex with the wrong hand- the sword and hammer hand, which is the hand connected to the left side of the brain. this has been a default problem since population growth required us to delay the age of reproduction. learning sex with that hand burns in long lasting connections that will steal sex energy from the right side and divert it through the left.

        our societies have evolved to exploit and cultivate this problem in a self perpetuating cycle.

        i think the way it relates to the political spectrum is the greed part partly but especially the need irrational need for certainty. the stronger that is the more easily uncertainty becomes fear. since nothing is certain the stress and fear are always there and the fix is certainty provided by our authoritarian and religious leaders and structures and order and conformity in general- value structures that helps us reduce nature, the uncertain, the complicated into absolutes and quick easy answers- yes no black white good evil order disorder.

        those establishment value structures help make the connections that reward the dependence on certainty. the lies and fantasy and oversimplifications may not be logical but the creative side can be enlisted to rationalize them. and when the connection is made to the creative side some of the trapped sex energy is able to escape to the orgasmic side. that's the grin on newt gingrich and george bush and paul ryan and rush limbaugs faces when they say 2 + 2 = 5.

        our power structures have evolved to exploit this and at some level maybe by design but it's mostly probably self perpetuating- sexual repression makes it impossible to teach using the other hand. our societies are marketplaces for the certainty uncertainty fear dynamic and the best quick easy answers compete around the truth. and maybe a society that that taught left handed masturbation might become too passive and be overwhelmed by the warrior societies.

        physiologically, women are naturally closer to the left handed spectrum because the the right hand is not as default and the motion may be more varied/complicated.

        imagine in a brain where use of the emotional creative right brain is very limited and too much sex energy accumulates and is trapped in the left. triggers needed to release it to the pleasure centers may become even more specific/learned/preferred in individuals. one way to trigger may be to create emotion to release it- such as with violence.

        the koran says man can only have sex with his wife and that which the right hand possesses. that's traditionally interpreted as his wives and captives. so what about the poor?

        there are a lot of 'environmental' and genetic factors involved but the idea that it wouldn't make a difference would be the crazy one.

        here's a shorter explanation: http://youtu.be/...

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 11:08:49 AM PST

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