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  •  It's even worse (7+ / 0-)

    Starched-shirt Koch-daddy Birchers from the 60's through the 80's couldn't care less about mega-corporate domination, but today's current crop is in synchronization with the "Business GOP" in this regard.

    So today's Bircher party has all the conspiracy theories (fluorine in our water supply has been updated), the libertarian tendencies ("state's rights", at least when it's convenient), and the focus on demon communism has been seamlessly replaced by a general hatred of Islam.  But until recently, concepts like "corporate personhood" hasn't been on their radar.

    As Ayn Rand said critically in a 1964 Playboy interview,

    I consider the Birch Society futile, because they are not for capitalism but merely against communism ... I gather they believe that the disastrous state of today's world is caused by a communist conspiracy. This is childishly naive and superficial. No country can be destroyed by a mere conspiracy, it can be destroyed only by ideas.
    The status quo "business" GOP was successful in quickly co-opting the TP Birchers early on in their original electoral success days, so today's Birchers now fully endorse the corporate dominance model.  So what we've got today is all the same radicalism, the factsless conspiracies, the self-righteous bible thumping, and the same old hate speech - only now, a power shift from a government of the people to something more akin to Mussolini's fascism is very much on the TP agenda.  The worst of both worlds.

    Just a historical reminder - in Il Duche's Italy, you didn't vote for an individual, or even a party.  You voted for the corporation you thought could best represent you.

    All your Supremes are belong to us. For Great Justices!

    by thenekkidtruth on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 03:47:30 AM PST

    •  This is what I feel is happening and its why I (4+ / 0-)

      have worked so hard to push back as a volunteer.  If all of us work as well as discuss we can make a difference.

    •  The parties (3+ / 0-)
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      ARE corporations.

      •  The Birchers are owned by a family (0+ / 0-)

        and its corporations and their friends and their corporations.

        Otherwise, the Bircher congressmen are generally not wealthy. They serve as hired shills.

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

        by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 07:09:52 PM PST

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    •  Couple things to toss in with that.... (7+ / 0-)

      First, the right wing billionaires operate at a different level and have different political goals from the Business group in the general economy.

      The status quo "business" GOP was successful in quickly co-opting the TP Birchers early on in their original electoral success days, so today's Birchers now fully endorse the corporate dominance model.
      It was the billionaires who co-opted the populist Tea Party movement. They have staff and money ready and available to go after opportunities within the Republican Party. They hit the Tea Party like a hawk striking a rabbit.

      Second, you're spot-on with the Mussolini connection. Right wingers in Italy have worked over decades to rehabilitate Il Duce's image. It's a Ministry of Truth history re-write operation. There's an annual calendar, of course, and decorations for coffee shops and many books.

      If they could have exactly what they want, these Bircher Republicans would support him as their Perfect Man:

      Duce! Duce! Duce!

      "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 06:14:42 AM PST

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      •  Birchers and Fascism (0+ / 0-)

        You are presenting a malicious false libel by your comments linking Birchers with Mussolini or fascism.

        Here is the reality:

        1.  Birchers think that traditional understandings of a political spectrum are entirely mistaken.  They believe that communism, fascism, and nazism ALL belong on the EXTREME LEFT as forms of "collectivism".

        2.  They believe that all persons (regardless of race, creed, religion, or status in life) have God-given unalienable rights and they despise ALL forms of what they consider government coercion -- no matter how noble the motivations of the actors might be.

        3.  No JBS member admires or supports fascists like Mussolini nor any other totalitarian movement figure.  Birchers think that the extreme right on a political spectrum reflects anarchy whereas Constitutional Conservatives belong in the CENTER of any political spectrum.

        4.  Since ALL collectivists believe in maximizing government intervention into people's lives (liberals, socialists, communists, fascists, nazis) -- the Birch Society thinks that they ALL belong on the LEFT side of the political spectrum and Birchers think of ALL collectivists as mortal enemies of what the JBS believes.

        •  If you think that fascism and nazism (0+ / 0-)

          belong on the EXTREME LEFT, the Left, or the Center then you're trying to rewrite history.

          Corporatism as much as defines the Right.

          "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

          by bontemps2012 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:41:29 AM PST

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          •  Corporatism? (0+ / 0-)

            I have no clue how you define that.  My point is that official JBS ideology has ALWAYS been hostile toward large financial and corporate entities in our country.

            YOU may not wish to consider any alternative ideas which do not conform to what you prefer to believe, but it is not verboten to propose a different understanding of a political spectrum.  The JBS is not the only organization or entity which has suggested we re-construct a political spectrum to   consider the relationship of an individual to government.  Obviously, ALL forms of "collectivism" propose that government has a major role to play in the lives of people.  One can argue (without being demonized) that liberalism, socialism, communism, nazism and fascism are related in the sense that they all favor government intervention (aka coercion)  whereas libertarians argue for MINIMUM government coercion or intervention in our lives.

            •  Such as Koch Industries. (0+ / 0-)

              You've got yourself believing something.


              JBS rebranding has taken the direction of trying to look like Paulist Libertarians. But that's nothing but cover.

              What happens with all parts of the Koch empire is purest anti-democracy corporatism.

              "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

              by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:02:49 AM PST

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              •  Reply to Bontemps (0+ / 0-)

                You are making broad generalizations which make very little sense.  If, as you suggest, the JBS believes in "corporatism", then kindly explain with specific details why it is that since its inception the JBS has been HOSTILE toward large corporate interests -- particularly financial institutions.

                Also, specify what organizations and lobbying groups and publications you think represent "corporatism" or corporate interests in the U.S.  Then, let's compare your list to the JBS position on each organization or publication you list.

                If, as you suggest, the Birch Society is linked to "corporatism" -- then please explain as precisely as you can how you fit your theory into the FACT that the Birch Society has published or recommended books and articles which are extremely hostile toward many of the most prominent figures within our corporate world.  

                For example:  

                (1) explain the JBS hostility toward Nelson and David Rockefeller and all Chase Manhattan Bank interests;

                (2) explain why the JBS associates itself with a narrative about our 20th century history which presents our largest financial and corporate entities in extremely derogatory terms

                (3) Explain why the JBS recommends books like Gary Allen's "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" and Cleon Skousen's, "The Naked Capitalist" --- both of which eviscerate the most prominent representatives of the capitalist elite within our country and explain why both books attribute evil, sinister motives to those individuals

    •  True, But As We Can See, That Alignment Is (3+ / 0-)
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      Inherently unstable. The center cannot hold. The monster has it's head and must be sated.

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      by Beetwasher on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 06:28:28 AM PST

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    •  That's correct - definitely a fascist party (5+ / 0-)

      That label is not just inflammatory rhetoric.  It's a factual, historically-accurate description of the program they are proposing.

      "Evil resides in the very gaze which perceives Evil all around." -- GWF Hegel

      by Fatherflot on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:35:08 AM PST

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      •  Factual? Historically Accurate? (0+ / 0-)

        No you are gravely mistaken.  The program proposed by the JBS is precisely opposite to what fascist parties or movements propose.

        The JBS wants to dramatically REDUCE both the size and scope of government.  It wants individual Americans to have the greatest possible freedom to make their own decisions and choices in life.  For example:  they support home-schooling, they support minimum taxation,  they support a non-interventionist (i.e. generally isolationist) foreign policy, they believe that our Iraq war was illegal and they think Bush and Cheney should have been impeached;  they believe that the policies adopted by Bush in the name of "security" were un-Constitutional and should be grounds for impeachment.  The JBS also believes that our federal income tax is un-Constitutional.

        Now you tell me, Fatherflot, what "fascist" party would support the positions I just listed?  

        ANSWER:   NONE WHATSOEVER because fascist parties, by definition, DO NOT recognize ANY limitations upon the power or authority or scope of government.  And they certainly do NOT recognize the ability of an electorate to override the decisions of political leaders (whether elected or appointed.  Furthermore, unlike actual fascist parties, the Birch Society has always been profoundly HOSTILE toward large economic and financial institutions -- including Wall Street, mega-corporations, etc.

    •  Birchers (0+ / 0-)

      Keep in mind the historical record:  

      Birchers vehemently opposed Ayn Rand, Mussolini, fascists, nazis and most of the large corporate elite in our country.

      For example:  the JBS believes that Bolsheviks were financed by wealthy individuals--including large American financial interests.  

      They also believe that our foreign policies serve the interests of our corporate elite (expressed through organizations like Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission).

      They describe people like Nelson and David Rockefeller as "traitors" to our country.

      I suggest that everyone who believes the absurdities posted by "thenekkidtruth"  and others in this forum, read two JBS-recommended publications:

      1. Gary Allen's 1972 book, "None Dare Call It Conspiracy"

      2.  W. Cleon Skousen's, "The Naked Capitalist"

      ONLY AFTER reading both of these classic right-wing conspiracy books can you understand the profound hostility which the JBS has toward our corporate class.

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