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  •  Don't tell me what you believe. (5+ / 0-)

    Show me what you do and I will know what you believe.  To paraphrase one of meteor blades's tag lines.

    I am not going to rehash all of the ways Obama has been a huge disappointment to progressives.  

    In the final analysis I don't care what he believes.  I only care about what he accomplishes.  What he has accomplished and what he says he wants to accomplish puts him squarely in the camp of Eisenhower republican.

    That may be the best we can hope for, but it is what it is.

    A standing army is like a standing member. It's an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure. Elbridge Gerry - Constitutional Convention (1787)

    by No Exit on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 07:56:32 AM PST

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    •  There is truth to you comment, but (5+ / 0-)

      We need to be realistic. In this age of big money campaigns we are lucky to have a President who is not simply a rubber stamp for the Kochs and other business interests. I think we would have had such a President if Romney had won.

      Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

      by Dirtandiron on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 07:58:40 AM PST

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      •  Bribery and blackmail. (2+ / 0-)
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        The Twin Towers, neither of which apply to Obama. Romney's tax scams and his driving that killed Leola Anderson were enough to assure a disaster of a presidency.

        Getting way from major corruption is a blessing.

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

        by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:24:03 AM PST

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        •  I don't believe that bribery or blackmail (0+ / 0-)

          Would have applied to Romney or that it applied to W.

          Big money corrupts our politics, no question, but the democrats appear to be as uninterested in addressing election reform as the pukes.

          A standing army is like a standing member. It's an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure. Elbridge Gerry - Constitutional Convention (1787)

          by No Exit on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 09:14:35 AM PST

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        •  And isn't it amazing (4+ / 0-)
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          that as much as they have tried, as much as he's been under the microscope for the past 4 years, not one actual crime or scandal has attached itself to him? Or to the people he hired to work for him? This has to be one of the cleanest administrations in modern history.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 09:43:47 AM PST

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          •  For all my disappointments in him (3+ / 0-)
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            politically, I am beyond grateful for who he is as a person.

            He appears to be aware, every moment that he is in public, of the enormous expectations that he is personally bearing, and he's doing a remarkable job of bearing them, with grace. The burden must be crushing at times.

            "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

            by sidnora on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 12:30:51 PM PST

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            •  If you are disappointed, you have not (0+ / 0-)

              been counting the vote lists up on Cap Hill.

              ACA was damn near a parallel to passing the 13th Amendment. With more lives in the balance.

              "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

              by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 04:59:17 PM PST

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              •  I HAVE been watching closely (0+ / 0-)

                and in general, I'm actually, kinda surprised that he's accomplished as much as he has, particularly when he had Pelosi running the House. And I have been labeled as one of the "cheerleader" "Obamabots" that a lot of Lefties like to beat on (not so much here at the GOS, but at other "Purer" Progressive sites). Yeah, I do support what he's done and what he's tried to do, but with clear eyes. There are things I'd like to see him do better (kicking GOP butt) and things I'd like to see him stop doing (drone warfare).
                But I figured that anyone climbing into that chair in 2009 was up against a hurricane of headwind, that no progress would be possible and that Obama would be defeated after a single disastrous term, not because of who he is but because of the situation he was handed. The day he was elected, the Onion ran a headline: "Black Guy Gets Worst Job in the World" and that wasn't snark.
                I have been a strong supporter of the ACA but that doesn't mean that I'm not disappointed that it isn't Single Payer. Getting the toe in the door is a major accomplishment, considering all the people that tried and failed to get even this far, the man is almost a miracle. But even he knows that it could be better.

                If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                by CwV on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:36:54 AM PST

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          •  Nor Even A Plausibly Contrived Scandal (1+ / 0-)
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            Birterism doesn't count.

            In some ways, the viciousness of the GOP is responsible, it has created a political natural selection among the Democraic ranks.  We are left with mostly those Democratic politicians who are best adapted and able to withstand the slanderous no holds barred villification that is currently practiced by the GOP.

            This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

            by Beetwasher on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 01:00:18 PM PST

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    •  Except That's Bullshit (2+ / 0-)
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      If I'm put in situations where I absolutely need to compromise and make deals to accomplish goals.  Then what I do might not necessarily reflect what I truly believe or desire, it only reflects what I'm able to accomplish towards my goals given the situational reality.

      This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

      by Beetwasher on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:10:40 AM PST

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      •  Except its not bullshit (0+ / 0-)

        Because the well worn cliche that Obama has been forced to compromise his "real beliefs" is belied by all the times he has compromised those "real beliefs"  in situations where republicans were not a limiting factor.

        Your explanation of why Obama's actions don't reflect his "true" views falls woefully short of explaining away many decisions that fall squarely outside of what could and should be expected of a progressive or liberal president.

        A standing army is like a standing member. It's an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure. Elbridge Gerry - Constitutional Convention (1787)

        by No Exit on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 09:07:16 AM PST

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        •  For Every Situation You Believe You Know His (1+ / 0-)
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          True motivation, there are alternate, plausible explanations for his actions that do not assume your personal prejudiced preconceptions about him.  You just are not willing to accept them because of course, you can discern his true intent, through you microscope, from here in the peanut gallery.

          This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

          by Beetwasher on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 09:41:26 AM PST

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          •  I don't know and don't care what his true (0+ / 0-)

            Motivations are, as I have said repeatedly.

            I am judging him by what he does and says.  Even you admit he has acted more like an "Eisenhower republican" with the caveat that this is necessary because he must compromise with republicans as they are now.  I pointed out that there are many instances where Obama has acted like an "Eisenhower republican" and republicans were not a limiting factor.

            I can't figure out why you appear to be so invested in believing that he is a secret liberal or progressive in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

            A standing army is like a standing member. It's an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure. Elbridge Gerry - Constitutional Convention (1787)

            by No Exit on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 10:27:54 AM PST

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            •  I Never Admitted Any Such Thing (0+ / 0-)

              But its curious how you only like to focus on any decisions or actions that you believe defy classic progressive principals, while denying those that fit squarely in the mold.  Otherwise you'd be forced to admit his policies as implemented are a mixed bag of liberal mixed with centerist to moderate conservative.  Therefore to peg him as a.conservative athwart, with the desire for conservative policies, is intellectually dishonest.  

              This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

              by Beetwasher on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 10:55:47 AM PST

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          •  He misses the "Cave" / "No Cave" system. (1+ / 0-)
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            Obama leaks news of a "cave."

            Then after the Business Republican leadership make asses of themselves, he has a Cabinet Member go out and hit 'em between the eyes with a 2x4.

            "No cave."

            This has gone back and forth for a year of it.

            Neither side of the Republican mess are capable of evaluating Obama's underlying tactics. They keep on rolling around in their own shit and mud.

            Sorry about that....

            "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

            by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:05:09 PM PST

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      •  Pigs don't fly ??? (0+ / 0-)

        How disappointing....

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

        by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:00:44 PM PST

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