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  •  Well, not exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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    Obama has to know that the Birchers have no strategy.
    Perhaps the Bircher House Caucus has no strategy, but the Birch-minded have pursued a single strategy since Barry Goldwater got swamped in 1964 against LBJ.

    You have to remember at the time Birchers were seen as foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics. Eisenhower was a Communist. Nelson Rockefeller was a Communist. There was a popular song from 1962, which I'll put at the end. "You cannot trust your neighbor; or even next of kin. If your Mommie is a Commie, you've got to turn her in."

    They always saw themselves infiltrating the Republican Party, not as Republicans.

    What we see now, that they have the effect on our Policy discussion; the ALEC plans which are affecting state laws in a big way... these are just early steps in their long-term strategy. And it was spelled out in the '60s in a book called "None Dare Call It Treason."

    It's also worth noting that the right wing factions of that day were constantly at war with each other over doctrinal purity. They've managed to go past that in sort of a "United Front" strategy, but you could see that breaking apart in the last few years. Anti-semites vs Christian Zionist, for example.

    I can't find the original board of directors, but I have read that they were largely Bankers, by the way.

    If the Birchers have no strategy in the House right now, don't think they won't develop one as they settle into their seats. All the more reason to target them in elections in 2014. They really have to go, because they are still insane. As the song says:


    The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

    by Jim P on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 10:30:36 AM PST

    •  Yes, infiltration of the Republican Party (1+ / 0-)
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      was and is the overall "strategy" of Koch's Birchers.

      Obama is dealing with the House and Senate, so within his purview the Bircher caucus in the House is the main adversary.

      The original Birch Society was as Jew-hating as it got. KKK material, except they could read.

      "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 10:38:36 AM PST

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      •  Well, they have effectively seized (1+ / 0-)
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        the Republican Party agenda. In the process driving a large part of their voters to "Independent" or even "Democratic" registrations.

        The thing to know is they will never, never, never give up. We have to reduce them back to where they were in the early 1960s, but it's hard because Media treats their objectively insane positions as if they were just regular Party politics.


        The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

        by Jim P on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 10:47:20 AM PST

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        •  I moved this last comment to the diary. (1+ / 0-)
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          "...they have effectively seized the Republican Party agenda...."

          I melded it in with the overall flow. But that's a key point to understanding what is going on at the House of Representatives.

          One mystery: why the Hell did they leave Boehner in as Speaker ??? I don't get that one.

          They didn't even try to run the House on their own.

          I'm guessing that the Democrats would have allied themselves with the Business Republicans to thwart that effort, but why not at least try ???

          "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

          by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:46:12 PM PST

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          •  Ever see The Sopranos? (1+ / 0-)
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            Crime Boss Tony defers to his Uncle as formal Boss of Bosses of the outfit. "Why?" Tony's top-earners ask him. "You are really the head."

            One of them pips up: "Smart. Someone to take the lightning bolts."

            Boehner is as much a hostage, and is being played, as anyone else. Remember, they're a faction looking to gain position and minimize risk. Think Bolsheviks in the Provisional Government.

            These people read Lenin and Trotsky; they've thought long and hard about that seizure of a democratic body, and about the Nazi capture of the Weimar Republic.

            Glad you could use the line. Great diary. A lot of work went into that. If I may pimp my already scrolled-off diary, it's short and mainly about the picture: http://www.dailykos.com/...


            The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

            by Jim P on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:40:21 PM PST

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      •  Jews and JBS (0+ / 0-)

        You are mistaken about the JBS, as an organization, being
        "Jew-hating".   At one point, in fact, Jewish Birchers created an organization of their own to supplement the activities of the JBS.  Many of the most prominent writers for JBS publications have been Jewish (such as Alan Stang and Gary Allen).  Currently, David Eisenberg serves on the JBS National Council---the governing body of the JBS.

        However it is true that the JBS has often attacked Jewish organizations (such as ADL) as serving Communist interests.

        •  The original JBS in the 1950s (0+ / 0-)

          was as Jew-hating as the KKK, the Mormons, the White Citizens Council, and the worst of the Fundie sects.

          When the Fundies changed course in the 1970s, JBS also changed course. At least publicly. Then the Chicago School NeoCons provided support for much of their agenda, plus Israel's right wing became allies.

          That doesn't change what JBS was doing in the 1950s.

          "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

          by bontemps2012 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:47:33 AM PST

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          •  KKK and Jew Hating (0+ / 0-)

            Sorry Bontemps but you are totally wrong.  

            The JBS as an organization never "hated Jews" -- which is why it was able to attract Jewish members and why it hired Jewish writers to write for its publications and it also hired Jewish speakers to give pro-JBS speeches around our country.  

            And, that is also why Jewish Birchers created a separate organization, the Jewish Society of Americanists, to promote the ideas of the JBS.

            If you really want to know what Jew-haters thought about the Birch Society -- check out the comments made by such notorious Jew-haters as Elizabeth Dilling, Lyrl Clark Van Hyning, Ben Klassen, and American Nazi Party leader George Lincoln Rockwell --- all of whom viciously attacked the JBS and its founder Robert Welch for his refusal to adopt their sick ideas.

            •  You weren't living in the South. (0+ / 0-)

              Hand in glove.

              "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

              by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 05:02:23 PM PST

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              •  Living in South (0+ / 0-)

                Any why do I need to live in the south to understand that your comments are fiction?

                I previously mentioned the JBS member who infiltrated the most violent Klan in our country for the FBI and his testimony was instrumental in the conviction of numerous Klan members.

                I also could have mentioned (for example) that the JBS Coordinator for the state of Mississippi (J. Vernon Pace) contacted the Jackson MS FBI field office on several occasions to keep them apprised of what the JBS was doing in Mississippi to expose and oppose white supremacists.

                There are many examples one could give you of southerners who were Birchers who despised the Klan and similar organizations.  Two more examples:  Lola Belle Holmes (born and raised in Louisiana) and Julia Brown (born and raised in Atlanta).  Both were African American women who became FBI informants inside the Communist Party USA.  After they surfaced and testified, they became JBS members and then were employed by the JBS Speakers Bureau.  Another example: the famous conservative author/columnist George S. Schuyler -- who was a JBS member.

                The issue of racism or bigotry inside the JBS is a very complex matter to discuss.  Obviously, I understand your desire to smear ANYBODY whom you think has different political convictions from your own -- but it is precisely your malicious and false broad generalizations which Birchers use to support their contentions that JBS critics are ignorant fools.

    •  Here's how Birchers read Reagan: (0+ / 0-)

      "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:33:24 AM PST

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