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  •  This is much more restrictive than current law (9+ / 0-)

    and as mentioned, current law isn't enforced equally or well.

    I think this diary is very well stated and I'm looking forward to discussing this with some friends.

    I am not a gun owner and I haven't researched the laws, but I think not often are people required to have permits to carry openly nor are they restricted as to where they can carry most places.  Nor are they required to have taken any safety training.  Nor are they periodically required to renew their registrations like the every few years for driver's licenses.  Nor are they required to carry insurance.  Nor can people hide cars under clothing so that a person doesn't know whether someone is carrying or not.  Nor is the law given a choice to grant them the license - it's not an option in many jurisdictions such as where there are "shall issue" requirements.  The law can choose whether you're safe to operate a motor vehicle - why shouldn't the law be able to determine through reasons of safety that you shouldn't be allowed to carry a weapon, either to prevent you from obtaining one or to take away that privilege if you're old, infirm, commit a crime, menace someone or in some other way pose a danger to others.  People also have to register their cars when they move to a different state within 30 days and their insurance will want them to register every time they move period.  Why not require the same for guns?

    I do admit I could be wrong and there are so many laws I'm sure I'm right in some areas of the country and not in others.

    •  in just about every state, carry / conceal (7+ / 0-)

      requires training and a license.

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        Joy of Fishes, ColoTim, caul, myboo

        Some states require nothing but a background check, and that is full of holes.  The training requirements vary hugely.  It used to be that CCW licenses were on a "may issue" basis, where judges or police chiefs could deny a license for reasonable cause.  Now there is NO option for police chiefs or judges to deny a license even though they may know about situations that don't show on the usual background checks-i.e. mental health, domestic violence, a series of arrests but no convictions, etc.  THAT has to change back to the old system.

    •  ColoTim - I think you are confusing things (4+ / 0-)
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      About a dozen states have "open carry" which means that you can carry a gun, as long as it is visible without a license. Another dozen states have licensed open carry which means you can carry a visible guns, but need a license. Another dozen or so have open carry, but with some restrictions. Less than ten states have laws prohibiting open carry. All states require a permit and training for concealed carry.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:17:29 PM PST

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      •  Open Carry (7+ / 0-)

        Washington State does not require training for open carry or concealed carry.

        I obtained a Washington concealed carry permit for one reason only: remote back country hiking. It would have been legal to carry the handgun in a holster without the permit, but I preferred not to intimidate those I might pass along the trail.

        Also - regarding "gun insurance". Maybe many states require liability insurance, but Washington State does not. It requires solid evidence of financial security.

        That can be normal liability insurance, or something like $50,000 on deposit with the state, or a bond that guarantees payment of up to about $50,000 in the event of an accident related lawsuit judgement. For someone with an excellent credit record, the bond might cost $300-800 per year.

      •  Are all of those LOC or just some? (1+ / 0-)
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        caul

        It is my understanding that some states are only UOC.

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:47:01 PM PST

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    •  try conceal carry where you live without a license (4+ / 0-)

      you'll be in a heap of trouble if caught.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:10:32 PM PST

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    •  Colo Time, some state do have this, or portions (4+ / 0-)

      thereof:

      why shouldn't the law be able to determine through reasons of safety that you shouldn't be allowed to carry a weapon, either to prevent you from obtaining one or to take away that privilege if you're old, infirm, commit a crime, menace someone or in some other way pose a danger to others. [bolding mine]
      CA is one of those. HOW this is carried out for at least part of that list is unknown to me and in the case of my mom certainly failed [diagnosed as psychotic at 97, 5050'd; danger to self or others]. Yes, she had a gun. I took it to the policy myself.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:45:57 PM PST

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      •  ack *police not policy. (0+ / 0-)

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:47:42 PM PST

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    •  You need to check the actual laws. (2+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim, oldpunk

      www.handgunlaw.us is a good place to start.

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