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  •  So, do we shrink the tent? (2+ / 0-)
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    Create one's own?

    I'm wondering how that would impact electoral wins and subsequent progressive policy being implemented.  

    "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." Hubert H. Humphrey

    by Onomastic on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:42:21 AM PST

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    •  that would be a very interesting (4+ / 0-)

      topic of discussion on DKos I think. Seems like the Party's Tent will get shrunk, or shift if/when teabuggers nudge moderate centrist GOP's over to a moderate centrist Dem party. Do we progressives stay and fight for "our" party or do we bail? And for the people who already have been bailing or are considering it, where is there to go? Occupy 3.0? I dont know.

      I do know that my teenage daughter, who will be able to vote in 2016 as will her agemates, they do not feel the same kind of party loyalty, history, that me & my agemates (the children of the FDR gen) do. My kid's generation will be staring Climate Change Crisis square in the face and it is their prime of life adulthood & beyond that's at stake there. I would hope for their sakes that they arent forced to choose* between an ineffective moderate Dem Party OR taking it to the streets, but I fear thats what it will come down to for them, if progressives fail to address much needed core values party issues now.

      *GOP's just not even an option... on social issues, this next generation is way way left of "center" for the most part.

      Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.” ~ John Lennon

      by Lady Libertine on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:06:31 AM PST

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      •  I share the same concerns for my children and (2+ / 0-)
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        grand boys.

        But I tend to look at the electorate as the key. How we reach the majority of people is something I still don't have an answer to but to keep on slogging away, one conversation at a time, LTE, etc.

        We just don't have the infrastructure that the far right has had for decades and building that, imo, is key.

        The country still seems badly divided to me and until and unless that is healed, I'm not sure how we get anywhere nearly fast enough.  

        If nothing else, having the Tea Party, theocrats, big money vampires, etc revealed for what they are over the last months has been a crucial step towards sanity.

        Unfortunately, they still have far too much power in Federal and State legislatures.

        And that's something that has to change sooner rather than later.

        "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." Hubert H. Humphrey

        by Onomastic on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:46:28 AM PST

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      •  Onomastic and Lady Libertine--Wish I had the (4+ / 0-)

        answer as to "what to do."  LOL!

        I remember hearing Ted Sorensen, a former special counsel to JFK, say on Air America Radio only a year or so before he died, that the Democratic Party base should be aware that the Democratic Party leadership loves "wedge issues," the same as Republicans.  This is because they keep their members distracted, while the Party leadership carries out the agenda of the One Percent.

        I was stunned that someone whom I thought was probably a Washington insider, would be that direct.  

        Guess we'll all need to 'sleep on this one.'


        “If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

        by musiccitymollie on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 11:18:03 AM PST

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    •  have to do something... (4+ / 0-)
      “Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both.”

        -- Frederick Douglass

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:18:41 AM PST

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