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    as far as I can see the Democratic party is dead as dodo. This is definitely not change I can believe in. In hindsight it's easier to see the current Third Wayer's running our party machine and this administration has been a long time in the making.  That in no way mitigates the damage done. Politics are not static, and too say well the Democrat's were never democratic so this is acceptable and 'inevitable' is just plain old Orwellian double think. The people in power of any government will run amok and go too far if they are unchecked.

    Our system while flawed and imperfect was set up with checks and balances along with the separation of powers. We were a nation of laws not men a representational democracy/republic. Granted historically this has been a constant struggle for 'we the people.' At this point the whole system has been dismantled including the electoral two party process. Our government does not function for the common good or even adhere to the universal human and civil rights that took centuries to develop.  

    I'm taking my country back and the vehicle I'm using is the Democratic party' Howard Dean

    A political party has to be a means to an end it has to offer representation and actually work to implement its reason for existing. What we have now is a party that only offers supporters and members a lesser evil then the maniac RW hardliners on the right. The real kicker for me and many is that once they extort your vote with fear they start implementing the same damn anti-democratic agenda.

    We seem all of us to be in a catch 22 where we really have no choice. Pick your poison or Bain vs.Goldman Sachs is not what democracy looks like. This is more then a matter of right center left as it's irrelevant where you stand on a fictional spectrum that has been replaced by a one party corporacracy or what ever you call this farce. Right now I'm a Democrat by default as there is no vehicle, no path parliamentarian path available to stop this slide into governance for and by the 'wealth creators' and their mad vision of a global anti-democratic viscous NWO.  

    There will be blood said Obama in his 2006 speech at the launch of the Hamilton Project. In the same speech he disavowed FDR's new deal and called for a NWO. Even in the Democratic primary we had no choice other then cosmetic. We were offered a two fer either way the Third Way won and so did their by-partisan sponsors. The way forward is no direction any of should support. It is also not inevitable, the poer hungry would be rulers always claim their inevitability.

    My only hope is that they will go too far and people will use their power and withdraw consent. so far nothing seems to far and is rationalized as 'the world as we find it' or it could be worse.  I vote, I'm a Democrat and yet I can''t help feeling that we all are part of the problem by accepting this as reality as our only choice. Quite the existential dilemma. FDR had a good point about fear. It keeps the vampire squid firmly implanted. One thing I will not do is call this Democratic or democratic.      

           

    •  about Obama's speech to the neo-con festival (3+ / 0-)
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      III. Obama’s Speech to the Hamilton Project.

      Here is then-Senator Barack Obama’s speech at the opening of the Hamilton Project back in April, 2006 as taken from that original Firedoglake diary. Note again that a video clip of Obama’s speech can be found here:
      I would love just to sit here with these folks [Bob Rubin, Roger Altman, Peter R. Orszag] and listen because you have on this panel and in this room some of the most innovative, thoughtful policymakers, people who have both ideas but also ways of implementing them into action. Our country owes a great debt to a number of people who are in this room because they helped put us on a pathway of prosperity that we are still enjoying, despite the best efforts of some. (Laughter)
      I want to thank Bob [Rubin] and Roger [Altman] and Peter for inviting me to be here today. I wish I could be here longer. I am going to have to run after a few minutes because we do have an important issue relating to U.S.-India relations. But when Roger originally called to invite me, not only to this forum but to invite me to engage in this project, I couldn’t help but think that this was the sort of breath of fresh air that I think this town needs.
      We have all known for some time that the forces of globalization have changed the rules of the game—how we work, how we prosper, how we compete with the rest of the word.

      We all know that the coming baby boomers’ retirement will only add to the challenges that we face in this new era. Unfortunately, while the world has changed around us, Washington has been remarkably slow to adapt twenty-first century solutions for a twenty-first century economy. As so many of us have seen, both sides of the political spectrum have tended to cling to outdated policies and tired ideologies instead of coalescing around what actually works.

      For liberals, and I include myself in that category, too many of us have been interested in defending programs the way they were written in 1938, believing that if we admit the need to modernize these programs to fit changing times, then the other side will use those acknowledgements to destroy them altogether. On the right, there is a tendency to push for massive tax cuts, as Peter indicated from my speech at Knox College, no matter what the cost or who the target is, a view that stems from the belief that there is no role for government whatsoever in the challenges we face. Of course, neither of these approaches really works.

      [snip]

      That is what I hope we will see from The Hamilton Project in the months and years to come. You have already drawn some of the brightest minds from academia and policy circles…. So I know that there are going to be wonderful ideas that are generated as a consequence of this project.

      Not every idea will I embrace, and I hope that one of the roles that I can play, as a participant in this process, is to not only encourage the work but occasionally challenge it. I will give one simple example. I think that if you polled many of the people in this room, most of us are strong free traders and most of us believe in markets. …So, hopefully, this is not just going to be all of us preaching to the choir. Hopefully, part of what we are going to be doing is challenging our own conventional wisdom and pushing out the boundaries and testing these ideas in a vigorous and aggressive way.

      But I can’t think of a better start, given the people who are participating today. I am glad that Brookings has been willing to provide a home for this wonderful effort.

      Obama lays it all out: his ties to his friends (Bob Rubin, head of Goldman Sachs; and Peter Orszag of the Hamilton Project who now works in the Obama administration as Budget Chief); his belief in unfettered free trade (making a mockery of his NAFTA renegotiation pledge 2 years later in the heat of battle with Hillary); and, the need for cuts in entitlements.
      (all emphasis mine)

      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:33:36 PM PST

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