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  •  I couldn't disagree more about BM, (9+ / 0-)

    and then there is Don Siegelman and Leonard Peltier. Have any objections to them being on the list?

    •  I am asking for a formal list (2+ / 0-)
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      such as that maintained by Amnesty International.

      We can all have our own, but I have less standing than AI.

      Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

      by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:01:17 PM PST

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        •  So when you said we still had political (2+ / 0-)
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          prisoners that was a matter of opinion, not the same thing as AI putting the US on its list of nations with political prisoners.

          Understood.

          Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

          by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:12:53 PM PST

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        •  OK, I found AI's list of current cases (2+ / 0-)
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          They list 5 in the USA here.

          As of February 14, 2012, former UK resident Shaker Aamer will have been held at Guantanamo without charge for 10 years. Indefinite detention is a human rights violation: the US must either charge Aamer with a crime or release him. Urge the US to charge or release Shaker Aamer and end indefinite detention at Guantanamo.
          For nearly 40 years, Albert Woodfox and Herman Wallace have been held in solitary confinement, mostly in the Louisiana State Penitentiary (known as Angola prison). Albert Woodfox and Herman Wallace, originally convicted of unrelated cases of armed robbery, were convicted of the murder of a prison guard in 1972. Robert King, locked up for robbery, was also convicted of murder once he was in the prison. The most fortunate of the so-called "Angola 3," his conviction was overturned in 2001, and he was released after 29 years of isolation.
          Released without charge and allowed to return home to Canada, Maher Arar received an apology and compensation from the Canadian government for its role in his treatment. But the U.S. government has failed to apologize or offer Maher Arar any form of remedy - despite its obligation to do so under the UN Convention Against Torture and other human rights treaties.
          ba note: AI is asking for an apology
          Reggie Clemons was sentenced to death in St. Louis as an accomplice to a 1991 murder of two young white women. Since his conviction allegations have arisen of police coercion, prosecutorial misconduct, and a ‘stacked’ jury in the Clemons case. Yet inadequate legal representation at trial hampered appeal efforts, and a ruling overturning his death sentence was reversed on technical grounds. From the investigation through the appeals process, his case illustrates many of the flaws in the U.S. death penalty system.
          The state of Georgia shamefully executed Troy Davis on September 21, 2011 despite serious doubts about his guilt. But our fight to abolish the death penalty lives on.
          They list no political prisoners per se in their report on the United States.

          Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

          by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:22:58 PM PST

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          •  I know Maher Arar a bit. (3+ / 0-)

            He and his family live here in Ottawa and we have been at a few of the same events.

            It is worse than just no apology. The United States still keeps Mr. Arar on the No Fly List,  and because he lives so close to the border, he basically can't fly, because if the plane has trouble and it lands in the US, he will be shipped back to Syria where he will tortured again.

            Canada had a Commission of Inquiry into what happened and Canada's part in his rendition, and we awarded him 8 million dollars.

            He has attempted to sue the American government for what they did to him, but he was not even allowed into the United States to testify in person and his case has been dismissed.

                                   To add some further info,
                                            Heather

            Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

            by Chacounne on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:32:06 PM PST

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      •  Here is one list (5+ / 0-)

        Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

        by Denise Oliver Velez on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:17:32 PM PST

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        •  OK, I randomly clicked a name and got this (2+ / 0-)
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          Bill Dunne

          Bill Dunne was arrested in 1979 when he and Larry Giddings attempted to free fellow revolutionary Artie Ray Dufur.  The two successfully freed Artie, but were arrested after an exchange of fire with police as they were fleeing the scene
          I'm not cherry-picking, Sis Deo, the first guy I clicked is in prison for staging an armed prison break of a "revolutionary" and exchanging fire with the police.

          My definition of political prisoner doesn't extend to people who take up arms against the government.

          Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

          by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:28:21 PM PST

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        •  This is more like it (3+ / 0-)
          Matthew Kyle Duran #42565-086
          FDC SeaTac
          P.O. Box 13900
          Seattle, WA 98198

          Matt Duran is one of three people currently incarcerated for their refusal to testify before a grand jury targeting anarchists in the Pacific Northwest.

          But the first 5 or 6 people I clicked on were either accused of planning violence (asking undercover cops to obtain explosives), or had done rather bad things (attacking the governor of Missouri with a knife and cutting the throat of a university president in the attempt).

          There's a lot of people on that list who do belong in jail.

          Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

          by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:33:22 PM PST

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      •  there may be a set of obvious political (6+ / 0-)

        prisoners - I'm not sure where to find it.

        But I'd argue most people incarcerated for use or possession or minor distribution of drugs in this country are political prisoners.

        Add to that any kid who is convicted and imprisoned for something that would have gotten him a slap on the wrist if it had happened at a tonier school...

        It's a very big list.

    •  Peltier is at the top of my list along (8+ / 0-)

      with Mumia.  And the Angola 3.  And I have signed the petition for Gov. Don Siegelman.

      I'll agree to disagree with you about BM, though I have protested his conditions of incarceration.  

      Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

      by Denise Oliver Velez on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:06:09 PM PST

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