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  •  One thing I wondered about him (2+ / 0-)
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    what were his views on civil rights?  His views on "spreading the wealth around" would sharply contradict the Dixiecrat view on civil rights.

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    by KingofSpades on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:36:05 PM PST

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    •  He was a segregationist. (0+ / 0-)

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      by SaoMagnifico on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:37:06 PM PST

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      •  -_- Figures. The hypocrite. (0+ / 0-)

        Was there any white southern Democrat in that era (the Jim Crow era) who was pro-civil rights?  Rep. Ken Hechler marched with MLK, but he was from WV, which defected from the CSA.  Who was that Georgian Democrat who proudly voted for the Civil Rights act even though he well knew that Lestor Maddox would rain wrath down upon him?  Also, there's LBJ, of course.

        Age 23. Voting in NJ-03. Lived most of life in NJ-01. Had Rush Holt represent me during my undergrad years and am now represented by Frank Pallone in my grad school.

        by KingofSpades on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:44:18 PM PST

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        •  Well, sure there were (2+ / 0-)
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          Then-Speaker Sam Rayburn reluctantly supported civil rights legislation starting in the 1950s.

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          by SaoMagnifico on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:47:21 PM PST

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          •  I know, I just wanted someone to list from memory (1+ / 0-)
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            Yeah, Rayburn was from NE Texas, a Dixiecrat area.

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            by KingofSpades on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:48:28 PM PST

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            •  and i'd imagine that (2+ / 0-)
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              Rayburn dying in 1961 and being replaced with a Massachusetts Dem sped up the process of meaningful civil rights legislation.

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              by RBH on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:06:08 PM PST

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              •  McCormack wasn't that liberal either (3+ / 0-)
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                He was decent supporter of the vietnam war, though he did preside over the one of most liberal congressional sessions since the new deal. House Liberals grew tired of him by the end of the 1960's and he promptly retired in 1970.

                 I don't think Rayburn was that anti-civil rights either in the grand scheme of things. IIRC:  He was prepared to strip many southerners from their chairmanships/seniority over civil rights legislation nearing the end of the 1950s.

                I want to say in the 5 speakers that followed Rayburn, Tip Oneill was the most liberal.

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                by lordpet8 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:19:47 PM PST

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        •  if we limit that to people who got elected (2+ / 0-)
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          probably not that many elected passed using current standards. Some Southern Dems didn't sign the manifesto but couldn't go full-integration.

          Not sure on if there was really much of a states-rights/backlash upcurrent in WV. They did elect some civil rights friendly Republicans in the 1950s.

          The border state approach to school desegregation seemed to be "Ok, we don't have many African-Americans in this area, so let's just integrate so we don't have to pay for a separate school covering a huge geographic area"... there were exceptions in MO, but in some parts of MO, integration came quick.

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          by RBH on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:50:54 PM PST

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        •  looking at Civil Rights act of 1964 Passage (2+ / 0-)
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          6 or 7(there is a discrepency on wikipedia) Southern House Democrats (one was fellow texan J.J. Pickle) and 1 southern Democratic Senator (Ralph Yarborough) voted for the bill

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          by lordpet8 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:00:16 PM PST

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          •  House vote (5+ / 0-)

            It was really a regional vote. IL voted 23-1, PA 27-0, OH 22-1, and IN 10-1 in favor even though all 4 delegations were majority GOP. NY went 41-0 and NJ 15-0. WV voted 5-0 in favor so at that point it was definitely northern when it came to civil rights. OK was 3-2 in favor, suggesting that it wasn't really southern on that issue either.

            Southerners who voted for it, all Dems:
            Claude Pepper, FL
            Charles Weltner, GA
            Carl Perkins, KY (which was 6-1 against)
            Ross Bass, TN
            Richard Fulton, TN
            Jack Brooks, TX
            Albert Thomas, TX
            Jake Pickle, TX
            Henry Gonzalez, TX

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            by sacman701 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:15:51 PM PST

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        •  A few (4+ / 0-)

          Claude Pepper, Ralph Yarborough, Lyndon Johnson, Estes Kefauver, and Albert Gore (though he chickened out in the 1964 CRA, he voted for all the other major legislation on the subject) in the Senate. In the House I'm not quite so sure--Rayburn favored voting rights at least, and probably a few people from Tennessee and Texas, I'd have to look. Those two states tended to produce most of the less-racist politicians for various reasons. I'm pretty sure all the East Tennessee Republicans voted for it.

        •  the most liberal dems from the old CSA (2+ / 0-)
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          off the top of my head were:

          Bob Eckhardt
          Dante Fascell
          Dick Fulton
          David Pryor
          Bill Anderson
          Sam Gibbons
          Claude Pepper
          Hale Boggs
          Henry Gonzalez
          Bill Alexander

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          by demographicarmageddon on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:07:15 PM PST

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        •  Mentioned but (4+ / 0-)

          just to put an exclamation point on it: Ralph Yarbrough!  Didn't sign the Southern Manifesto and voted for every Civil Rights Bill between 1957-1970.

      •  Was he really? (0+ / 0-)

        Or was it just that he worked within the system to provide for both whites and blacks? I mean, would you also call FDR a segregationist? If so, then it's fair to also call Huey Long one. If not, I'd like to hear more about why you think it's fair to use that term for Huey Long.

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        by MichaelNY on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:57:00 PM PST

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        •  FDR was no segregationist (7+ / 0-)

          He mounted a real effort to unseat some of the worst racists in the Senate in 1938, which mostly failed, and he fought like hell to get Henry Wallace on the ticket in 1940 rather than a Southern segregationist successor. Part of the Truman pick too was that Truman was not racist. FDR was very conscious that this would become one of the major political issues after WWII and set things up accordingly.

          But he didn't push an anti-lynching law because he was afraid it would cost him support in the South. Most historians argue his judgment on that was wrong, but he did know an awful lot about politics.

        •  Yeah I think this is a misguided perspective (4+ / 0-)

          for example, do we want future generations to look back on the Democratic party from 1965 to a few years ago and say "Democrats were reactionary on LGBT rights, they should all be swept under the rug!"  No, of course not.  I'm not making excuses for vile policies regarding civil rights, but the politics of a two party system has to consider all issues and in that regard, FDR and Long were as left wing as you could realistically hope for yet still get elected and implement reforms.

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          by sawolf on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:14:57 PM PST

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    •  He was much beloved in Louisiana (2+ / 0-)
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      by both blacks and whites, and was quite liberal on race for a Southerner.

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      by MichaelNY on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:51:06 PM PST

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