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  •  Good points...thanks! (5+ / 0-)
    But the characters themselves are more like stereotypes.
    Do you think we made them into stereotypes?  When I was a child and read about them, they seemed very real and unusual characters.  Have copycats ruined them?

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    by cfk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:28:02 PM PST

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    •  Actually I think it was intentional (4+ / 0-)
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      cfk, Emmet, Monsieur Georges, Brecht

      The little guy, the savvy, plucky, and resourceful against the rich, greedy conqueror who would impose their values on the native while extracting their wealth. Not a lot of complexity there, but stories like that never are because that's not the point. This, developed further, is the story of Ivanhoe.

      In fact I'm sympathetic: these are cultural  battles and are fought everywhere, including (to go off on a tangent) about the one sport I follow -- football. So I'm partial to Barcelona, can't stand Real Madrid; definitely favor the green side of the Celtic-Rangers split. This last is ironic as both are in the Scottish League (same city, even -- Glasgow) but one looks to Ireland, the other to England.

      Speaking of irony, no doubt the irony in the Robin Hood stories was unintentional: what the Normans were doing to them is what they did to Britons.

      That could lead down another tangent -- early Arthuriana and its modern versions (like the Mary Stewart). Only the natives won -- for a little while.  Or perhaps Y Goddodin, but that one's about heroic failure against the German invader.

      •  Stereotypes and Complexity: (2+ / 0-)
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        cfk, alefnot

        You and cfk are both right, I think.

        Characters can evolve over time. They may get stuck, and become stereotypes, but then another author (or movie or TV director) will take that scarecrow and fill it with a new spark.

        Look at Batman - the original comic, then the camp TV series in the 60s, then the Dark Night comics in the 80s, and now taken further in the last 25 years of movies.

        Sherlock Holmes, who's been 50% of so many different fictional characters, and is now getting bent out of shop in various movies and TV shows.

        James Bond. Captain Kirk. Doctor Who. Half the characters in Lord of the Rings.

        Robin Hood has several centuries on all of these. He is a bit closer to myth than most of them. He's certainly evolved, become a stereotype, and then evolved further many times.

        "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

        by Brecht on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 02:36:57 PM PST

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