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  •  Being a copilot and pilot is demanding (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    but we still gave them them means to defend themselves and their charges.

    The idea that if an armed intruder comes into a school then the teachers need to focus on continuing with the lessons and curriculum is not serious.

    And it does not have to be teachers.   It could be admin staff, janitor, cafeteria cook.   Out of 200 staff at a school it should be possible to find two or three volunteers who will take several days training and pass the tests in exchange for extra pay.

    While I think the identity of the guards needs to be hidden from everyone but the principal and a few others, I think that fact the teachers are guardians would reflect well on the profession as a whole.

    •  The idea of being forced to carry a gun and being (2+ / 0-)
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      evaluated as a teacher on the basis of my shooting range score scares me spitless.  If you don't think this will be the final result you are naive.  The right=wing nuts are setting school agendas and teacher evaluations now.  Adding "carrying" to the job requirements isn't even a slight stretch.

      •  I , of course, would be utterly opposed to forcing (1+ / 0-)
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        any teacher -- or any other citizen -- to carry a gun.
        I think most Americans would agree.

        (The only case I know of that occurring in the past is in the military draft in times of major war.  And even then there were exemptions for religious objectors.)

        It would also be stupid -- there is no value in coercing someone into being a guard -- they will merely run when faced with the threat.   Rightfully so.

        Any volunteer should be accepted only if they are willing to fight for the kids in the unlikely event a threat ever arose.  Obviously, such volunteers should be compensated for accepting that duty.   Even so, I have no way of knowing if any teachers --or other employees -- would volunteer at some schools.

        •  but putting down teachers who don't want to carry (0+ / 0-)

          WILL happen.  That's how the right-wing gun nuts get their agenda pushed through. Making money the bottom line is dirty pool.

          •  srsly? (1+ / 0-)
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            there are plenty of good arguments against the suggestion, but this one is ridiculous.

            Look up "concealed" in a dictionary.

            "The Taibbi article is a defense of status quo" -- citizen k

            by happymisanthropy on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:18:39 PM PST

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            •  You, obviouly, can't comprehend pressure teachers (0+ / 0-)

              are already under.  Then to introduce gun requirements ion them is absurb. I know 100s of teachers with hair=trigger tempers who should never be near a weapon of any kind, and I also know 100s of excellent teachers who would be absolutely terrified to carry a weapon.  Making this a job evaluation issuw is even more absurb.

              •  and who would do that? (1+ / 0-)
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                You, obviouly, can't comprehend pressure teachers (0+ / 0-)
                are already under.
                I only substitute taught three classes this morning, I'm obviously unqualified to talk about the subject.
                Making this a job evaluation issuw is even more absurb.
                "Concealed" means nobody can be sure whether you're armed or not.  If licenses are too easy to get, get one and let your boss think you're carrying.  If they aren't too easy to get, stop complaining about how easy they are.

                "The Taibbi article is a defense of status quo" -- citizen k

                by happymisanthropy on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 03:08:24 PM PST

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    •  Your silly ideas are unworkable in most school (0+ / 0-)

      environments.
      Firstly, I don't take your proposals seriously I think you are just plugging for the NRA, but if you are serious, you need to learn more about schools and buildings.

      Secondly, the number of dead kids and teachers  before your imaginary armed hero gets to the murderer can be astronomical.

      It's fun to pretend that you ideas would work, but they are based entirely on fantasy.

      Take back the House in 2014!!!!!!!!!!!! (50 state strategy needed)

      by mungley on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:45:57 PM PST

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      •  I am not a member of the NRA and I have (0+ / 0-)

        no relationship with them.   I think it is silly to say you need to have firearms to fight off a dictator some time in the distant future -- and then do nothing when Dick Cheney destroys half of the Bill of Rights.

      •  You need more than guns (0+ / 0-)

        School guardians need body armor -- and surveillance systems that let a monitor in the principal's office identify the location of an armed intruder and broadcast that to the first responders in code over the intercom.   I think a 30 second to 1 minute response time will save more children than the 15-20 minute one we have now.

        Federal Protective specialists need to examine the problem to work out the best tactics, protective measures,etc.  

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