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    Buckeye54, wonmug

    look, I don't want to be rude, but I've spent two decades getting to know people in the Blue Ridge back country.  And their emotional response would be the same as yours, in the other direction of course.

    Most people who stay in or return to Appalachia do so despite the moribund economy for one reason: they love the land.  They can't live in concrete jungles having tasted the mist on the mountain in the  mornings.  They can't stand the endless lines of traffic after zipping around the hills on empty one-lane roads.  They love to watch the wildlife, and breathe the fresh air, and go to sleep without the constant whine of traffic and rumble of trains vibrating through their bodies.  They don't LIKE corporations that destroy their beautiful countryside and reduce them to wage-slaves in order to live in what's left of it.  But they'll put up with damned near anything to live in their own place and not have to put up with the arrogance of "city-folk" who in their estimation are overeducated ignoramuses who couldn't find or fight their way out of a paper bag without outside assistance.

    They'll support the coal companies if that's the only game in town, because they have to have SOME way to earn enough cash to pay for gas and taxes and electric bills.  Everything else they can and do pretty much make for themselves.  Offer them some other way to make that necessary cash and they'll drop the coal companies in a heartbeat.  There's no loyalty to cruel masters who've been responsible for more than a few deaths among friends and family.  But if you want their support, then you have to treat them with some kind of respect, and if you want to take away the only living many of them have, then you have to be willing to offer something as an alternative.

    •  This is it's own kind of elitism: (2+ / 0-)
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      Roadbed Guy, nosleep4u

      "who in their estimation are overeducated ignoramuses"

      It's exactly that kind of attitude that makes me want to say eff'em. Even the Democrats from West Virginia are climate deniers. It's Stockholm Syndrome. Look at how Rockefeller was pilloried when he spoke out about it. And then they're jerks about it, considering people who've spent time actually studying the issue "overeducated ignoramuses." In any event, my point was just to let it be known that that emotional response is out there.

      As I said, I agree that climate change legislation should include economic development for coal country. Maybe you missed the part where I agreed that my considered and sympathetic response was opposite to my immediate response. But maybe instead of denying there's a problem guys like that jerk Manchin should get on board with crafting a solution that helps his region.

      Look, I've got family that I love very much from "Pennsyltucky" coal country outside Pittsburgh. I've got a fondness for bluegrass music. I love the movie Bloody Harlan. Sharing my emotional reaction might have suggested something I didn't intend, hostility or derision toward the culture and history of the region.

      It's not that. It's really just a simple emotional response to being told that any legislation has to bail out the very folks standing in the way of even rationally discussing the issue on a scientific basis, and my point in sharing it was to warn that not everyone gets beyond their immediate emotional response. Eventually there will be climate change legislation. If Manchin or other Appalachian pols want economic development as part of the deal they should get with the program or they risk (sadly, you and I agree) being cut out.

      Passive renunciation is not the whole of wisdom.

      by play jurist on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 02:30:34 AM PST

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    •  Having grown up in such a paradise... (2+ / 0-)
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      Roadbed Guy, splashy

      ...they are mostly willfully ignorant, selfish and racist, who don't like cities because of all the blah-people that live there. They would not support anything that would require they change in any way or take responsibility for the lack of opportunity in their communities. If it wasn't for money from the rest of the country many would probably still not have electricity, not that they are capable of any gratitude for it.

      Yeah yeah yeah, that not everyone. Just a majority, unfortunately.

    •  there won't be much land to love left (1+ / 0-)
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      nosleep4u

      ... if they continue to ruin it with strip mining and other destructive mining practices.

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      "Und wer nicht tanzen will am Schluss - weiß noch nicht dass er tanzen muss", Rammstein, "Amerika"

      by cris0000 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 12:41:43 PM PST

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