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  •  Great comment! In Germany they are doing serious (5+ / 0-)
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    work on the problem of distributing intermittent power and other smart grid issues.  We need to catch up!   http://t.co/...

    Pe'Sla isn't safe until the loan is paid off. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe could use some help with that.

    by Kay Observer2 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:10:52 AM PST

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    •  Germany is also having serious rolling blackouts (0+ / 0-)

      They already miss the nuclear reactors they shut down far too early.  It has made their grid more unstable and less able to accept more wind/solar energy.

      I have no doubt the problems will be solved over time.  But until then, Germany's C02 emissions have increased.

      •  We also need to quit using so much power. (1+ / 0-)
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        The amount of power we consume is absurd.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 11:06:39 AM PST

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        •  Who will you take air conditioning away from? (0+ / 0-)

          Want to know where most of our power consumption is?  Air conditioning for people in hot southern states.  There was a reason not very many people lived in the south and southwest before 1960.  So if you want to reduce power, tell me who you're going to take air conditioning away from.

          It's easy to say reduce power use.  Not so easy when millions of elderly now depend on AC to stay alive in Arizona and Florida in summer.

          •  And that will be the death of us (0+ / 0-)

            We don't want to admit that we're going to have to cut back on these things, and when anyone suggests it they get asked shit like this.  There's an easy answer of course, and one people don't want to hear.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 11:46:39 AM PST

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            •  It was a serious question (0+ / 0-)

              So lets hear your simple answer.

              •  People need to reduce the amount of energy (0+ / 0-)

                we use and if we can't live in some place without using too much energy then we shouldn't live there.  Not to mention the coming droughts that will make Arizona an absurd place to have large populations.  Of course, we won't change until it's too late because no one wants to talk about what we have to do.  We can't even stop pumping carbon into the atmosphere and we think that we can move millions of people, ha.

                The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                by AoT on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:46:01 PM PST

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                •  Well I say the same thing about flooding (0+ / 0-)

                  Everytime a property floods, it should revert to wetlands.  No flooded property should ever be rebuilt.  And yes, I include the entire Huricane Sandy affected area in that.  The Jersey Shore and Far Rockaway should revert to wilderness.

                  But those are different things.  A flood rips the property apart, makes it unliveable.  It forces people to chose between rebuilding and moving.

                  To get the same thing for millions of elderly in Arizona would mean forced blackouts.  But of course the elderly would probably die before they could be moved in that case.  There's no way to outlaw AC in Arizona and force people to move.  And if energy subsidies were removed, people would just whine about high costs being dumped on the poor.

                  Of course, if we hadn't turned away from nuclear power 40 years ago, we wouldn't be discussing today taking AC away from seniors, it wouldn't be an issue.

          •  Arizona and Nevada, at least, cannot (1+ / 0-)
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            sustainably support their current populations.  They are depleting aquifers that will take hundreds of years to recover.  In the meantime they are causing water holes to dry up, putting added stress on fragile, arid ecosystems, and quite possibly putting our wild (feral) horses, some of which still carry Conquistador's horses'  bloodlines, on the path to extinction.

            Pe'Sla isn't safe until the loan is paid off. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe could use some help with that.

            by Kay Observer2 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:15:01 PM PST

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          •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

            According the Green Guide

            http://www.npr.org/...

            heating a space usually consumes more power than cooling. It seems strange to me that people often question the energy used fof air conditioning, but no one ever questions the energy used for heating. It's two sides of the same problem.

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