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  •  To continue the diarist's line: (3+ / 0-)
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    "There's no working with that."

    The time for "debating" these neoconfederates is over.
    Our only way out of this is to outnumber them, not to argue with them.  

    The only way to move this country forward is to outnumber the voters who put these primitives in office.

    Outnumber them, marginalize them, make them increasingly irrelevant over time.

    "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

    by Wildthumb on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:37:46 AM PST

    •  In instances of a gerrymandered (0+ / 0-)

      district, that's close to impossible.

      Next idea?

      •  There isn't one, within the confines (2+ / 0-)
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        of our Constitution as presently configured. We have to make it work anyway. Probably the best idea would be to plan a "blitz" for 2020 and reverse the gerrymandering of 2010. We're pretty well screwed until then, at the earliest.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:56:07 AM PST

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      •  You don't have to phrase this question like I'm (1+ / 0-)
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        Minnesota Deb

        your enemy or that I'm stupid. That's why many people on this blog don't know how to make or keep allies. You're a perfect example.

        In some cases, this will be a slow process. Young people and changing demographics will help. It happened in California. Then we can call the shots on "gerrymandering."

        Next comment.

        "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

        by Wildthumb on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:57:55 AM PST

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        •  Here it is: it's partly the demographic (0+ / 0-)

          changing AND changing the process by which votes are put together in a district. You're looking at the constiutents as though they're rational actors. In this instance, they are not.  You cannot "outnumber" a district that is set in it's composition unless Dems manage to change the process by which the composition is configured.

          It's the people who are the problem here.  And regarding the issue of "tribal alliances" even having more young people may not necessarily help Dems. See West Virginia which is turning very red. In that case, young people and changing demographics are going to do exactly jack for Dems there.

          •  "Here it is." (0+ / 0-)

            Whether you're right or not right now, all I can see is you're
            an arrogant asshole whose comments I'll disregard in the future. Take a seminar on "creating allies."

            When you put out "pfffft," you get back "pfffft."

            There it is.

            "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

            by Wildthumb on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:28:27 AM PST

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        •  Stay calm (1+ / 0-)
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          Wildthumb

          That was not an attack on YOU, it was a swipe at your idea.
          Both of you have good (if somewhat overly simple) points. Yes outnumbering them would work, but it would mean mass migration or a dieoff. Outhustling them, working a 10000 precinct strategy (a fine-grain version of the 50 state strategy), is the way to beat them.
          Even in the reddest district, there are some Dem voters. Those voters need to be activated and supported, local media in their districts need to focus on the Dem outlook on the issues that are relevant locally, a counterswell of debunking and a strong showing of an alternative can counter (somewhat) the Gerrymander.
          And Local is crucial here. Gerrymanders were the result of district and state politics. We can't wait 'til 2020 to get active in this fight. It has to start now at that local level to send people to their state governments that are not so crazy.
          One of the dirty secrets of local politics is that many seats go uncontested. The GOP candidate is thought to be such a shoo-in that no one bothers to run against him.
          It would only take a few turnovers in a few states to turn the tide.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 11:33:01 AM PST

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          •  Thanks. My wife and I have been dealing off and on (1+ / 0-)
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            all day with a plumbing emergency at the house. Besides having some old baggage about arrogance on Kos, I've got major bucks we're talking about here and quick figuring about how we're going to handle it is making me and my wife a little touchy,

            TO SAY THE FUCKING LEAST. :)

            (And frankly makes "gerrymandering" this evening shall we say a tad remote in importance.)

            "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

            by Wildthumb on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:43:50 PM PST

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    •  I want (1+ / 0-)
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      Wildthumb

      them gone. Period. eom.

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